we are about to hear from a senator who is not from detroit but has detroit in her heart.was the district attorney in san francisco, she started a program called back on track to take people have been convicted and give them a path right back into the workplace. here is your second chance. she did not do this when it was politically popular. she did it in 2004. because it was the right thing to do. and so in 42 days we get a chance to change this, and get at the administration in washington that is on detroit side. so please, vote early, i know the governor is about to do it shortly. request your ballots. i believe detroit is going to decide the election in michigan. we are going to turn out big. let's all get to work. ♪ ♪ >> we now welcome congresswoman brenda lawrence. >> hello everyone. i am so glad to see you all here. i want you all to think about that you are the place holders for about 10,000 more of you around michigan. because we are in this to win this. you are here today to witness our team, our efforts and all that we are going to do to make sure that the peopl

mayor duggan: welcome to detroit. you what it is like to be mayor of detroit when donald trump is the president. in march, when we got hammered with covid, we were losing 50 people a day. we needed test kits to test the folks at nursing homes to figure out which ones were sick and why they were dying. when the hospital workers and nurses needed gowns and masks because they were getting sick and dying, when people were packed on gurneys in the hallway. we turns to the federal government for help and leadership, and do you know what donald trump said? i'm not a shipping clerk. it is not my job. you are on your own. think about what that meant in 2009, when gm and fca were about to close down in bankruptcy and if barack obama had said, it's not my job. we would not have 5000 jobs at the fca plant coming down the street, 2000 more jobs if the gm -- at the gm plant with the new electric vehicles and trucks. were in bankruptcy and joe biden was here over and over, and when i showed him that a third of the buses in the city

-i want the challenge of building a business in detroit by people's hands from detroit. -mm-hmm.offer is $300,000 for 51 percent. i think needs $100,000 for building out efficiencies in the shop. it needs to have some rhyme or reason to it. -right. -things that allow us to lower cost and increase output. in addition to that, $150,000 for working capital, raw materials, and then, $50,000 specifically for research and development and the creation of new products, buying textiles, trying new things and turning them into real high-margin moneymakers. -so you'd want to see a wider assortment or something? -i think we have to work collectively with the team to allow creativity to breathe. -that's a bit of a shift. -is it? what's so shifty about it? -jeans aren't going to be our primary focus. -this company will not survive as a men's denim jean company. -$300,000 sounds like a reasonable dollar amount. on the personal part of it, i have put money in, and i'm a 10 percent owner. giving up 50 percent of my investment, how do i get my return on my investment? i would like to be able to, y

in detroit, but i do not see that in 2020. i see enthusiasm and can feel energy. i can feel the people here in detroit are going to get out and do what they're supposed to do. we are going to drive people to the polls. and i believe that if we can turn out detroit, i believe that michigan will go to blue. i do not believe that took place in 2016. for all of you people who live north and you feel this passion about a man who is taking advantage of you, a man who would not give anything for you -- i am a veteran and was very offended when that comment that came out in "the atlantic" that said we were losers, and my son is in the air force. no, i do not believe in trump. i do not believe in nothing that that man said. and if you're one who would take a schechter and you want to vote for him, go ahead. if covid gets you, that is too bad. host: professor dulio, his first remarks about the state of play in michigan guest: sure, at first i would say to the caller, thank you for your service. really, the state of play, the caller said

people have often come to detroit for family reunions and all that. so i felt really uncomfortable about being just to open and now we're finding there's uptick in cases in michigan as well. not to the degree as in the south. so i thought we were just have to have short pickup hours on the weekend and can it keep our doors close. when people come to pick up we do welcome them to come and browse around if you like, and they are very good about that. we have our masks and our sanitation station right at the door. we are really learning as we go, taking baby steps and looking to see how this door response and how our customers respond. >> janet and alyson, we talk to you last on may 5 and that was prior to the killing of george floyd in minneapolis. how did that as a black owned business, how did that affect you? >> it affected us in two ways. we have a lot of compassion for the family and for our community in particular that resist police brutality and police violence. and so when the marchers came by our store, we cheered them on. we also, i think it a

since then, detroit has been largely calm.e place where the phrase mostly peaceful protests hasn't been a media myth. but the end of last month, at the end of last month, violence flared up again when some protesters attacked the cops in detroit there. so what's law enforcement now doing to keep cities safe? here again is detroit chief of police james craig. chief craig, thank you for joining us. >> glad to be here. gerry: you had a retively quiet -- relatively quiet summer, you've managed to keep things in detroit -- which, obviously, has got a history of unrest and some racial tensions, but you kept things relatively quiet. tell us how you think you've been able to do that. >> well, a couple of things. first of all, i have to applaud the men and women of the detroit police department who have just tone a superb job, you know? -- done a superb job. they understood our mugs. we don't retreat here in detroit. i've repeatedly said that. but also the relationships that we've developed not just after knowed, but -- after floyd, bu

in detroit, but i do not see that in 2020. see enthusiasm and can feel energy. i can feel the people here in detroit are going to get out and do what they're supposed to do. we are going to drive people to the polls. and i believe that if we can turn out detroit, i believe that michigan will go to blue. i do not believe that took place in 2016. for all of you people who live north and you feel this passion about a man who is taking advantage of you, a man who would not give anything for you -- i am a veteran and was very offended when that comment that came out in "the atlantic" that said we were losers, and my son is in the air force. no, i do not believe in trump. i do not believe in nothing that that man said. and if you're one who would take a schechter and you want to vote for him, go ahead. if covid gets you, that is too bad. host: professor dulio, his first remarks about the state of play in michigan guest: sure, at first i would say to the caller, thank you for your service. really, the state of play, the caller said h

you don't live in detroit. you don't represent detroit, so it's time for you to go. david: now, the charges from the groups calling for your resignation and from others including congresswoman talib is that you have dealt with " peaceful protesters" violently. how do you answer those charges? >> it's comical that u.s. congresswoman has never tried to sit down and have a conversation. she also has another agenda so she doesn't speak for a lot of detroiters but here is the fact. we're now in excess of 100 days of managing protests. of that has been six instances who weave had to use force, and its always been in response to violence, perpetrated by these criminal, and in one instance, or several instances where we gave several warnings that you will be arrested and took our time, took about on hour the last time, when 44 were arrested, they resisted arrest. they resisted a lawful arrest, david, and so we use that force that was necessary, so they would prefer they just take over and do what they want to do. they do not represent detroit and that's what makes this city

here in detroit, though, it's very different.unity. they're not going to tolerate this anarchy. they don't want it. these folks do not speak for the city of detroit. and so the mayor of detroit and myself are in lockstep. we're just not going to tolerate violence. and that's what needs to happen -- elizabeth: yeah. and -- >> and i think that's the real key. elizabeth: no tolerance, yeah. and, you know, we now have shocking images from a story we reported yesterday, a family of trump supporters in a town called brooklyn center, minnesota, they were attacked wednesday night. why? because they had a trump 2020 sign. rioters burned to the ground their garage and vehicles, and attackers spray painted biden 2020, blm and the capital letter a. this family had to escape with their two infant children, aged 2 years old and 5 months old, and they had to rescue puppies that were in that garage. knocked out the family's surveillance camera just before fires were set, but police apparently have footage from other surveillance cameras. this is

over the years people have often come to detroit for family reunions. felt really uncomfortable about being just too open, now we are finding an uptick in cases in michigan as well. not to the degree in the south. i thought, we will just have to have short pickup hours on the weekend. keep our doors closed. when people come to pick up we do welcome them to come browse around as they like, they are very good about that. we have mask and sanitation station at the door. we are really learning as we go, taking baby steps and looking to see how the store responds and our customers respond. >> janet and alyson, we talked to you last on may 5, prior to the killing of george floyd in minneapolis. how did that as a black owned business, how did that affect you? >> it affected us in two ways, we have a lot of compassion for the family and for Ãbin our community in particular, that resists police brutality and police violence. when the marchers came by our store we cheer them on and we also, i think in all the ways we could we offer information to those interested

. >> the 1964 presidential campaign has officially launched as 100,000 people assembled in detroit toesident johnson's first did for reelection. concerned was mainly with nuclear weapons. while not mentioning barry goldwater by name, he mentioned his opponents call for the arming of nato forces with conventional nuclear weapon and reaffirmed the need for strict presidential controls. there is noistake such thing as a conventional nuclear weapon. [applause] 419 peril-filled years, no the atoms loosed against another. to do so now is a political decision of the highest order and it will lead us down and outcomen path whose none may know. no president of the united divestof america can himself of the responsibility for such a decision. [applause] out inhe cheers ring detroit, there are more and los angeles -- 50,000 people packed dodger stadium to great the republican candidate as he opened his campaign. senator barry goldwater arrives with misses goldwater. this is the opening of his first swing that will take him into washington and oregon and for other states. [applause] goldwater too

back revitalize the future of detroit.hile nearly 20,000 auto manufacturing jobs have been lost in michigan under trump , nearly 80,000 were created during the obama-biden administration. i have got a long history of not just talking about what i'm going to do, but delivering results for michiganders. and now we need to do it again. we need to do the hard work not only to recover, but build the economy back for the future once more. that is why my build back better agenda -- that is what it is all about. it starts right here with you and the union halls across america. back in july, i made the first plank of my agenda to modernize american manufacturing and technology to ensure that the future is made in america. by all of you. and today, i am announcing some additional steps to make this plank even stronger. first, we are going to impose a tax penalty on companies that avoid paying u.s. taxes by offshoring u.s. jobs in manufacturing, only to sell those goods back to the american consumer. [applause] your big corporate str

laura: yeah, detroit is key.chigan setting a record for the number of absentee ballot requests. what does that tell you as we head closer to november? >> yeah, that's exactly right, more than 2.1 million requests, the most ever continue to request these ballots up to and through election day. we'll see. both parties are indicating it's not something that favors one over the other. we're not going to know who wins michigan on election night. you can't start counting until election day. right now state law says you can't open the ballots until the day after. there's a really good chance we won't know who won the election until a day after, two days after, however long it takes. laura: great point. government and politics reporter with "the detroit free press." thanks for being with us today. >> thank you. laura: eric? eric: president trump right now is heading out west. let's take a look live, air force one at the joint base andrews there. there's that beautiful plane. i guess the door is closed, the engines are wa

one in mccomb county and one what we call down river detroit. >> can i ask you about detroit and how much you think the "detroit free press" endorsement of joe biden will -- how far you think that may go? he got this one, joe biden is the anti-toxin america needs. tuesday, kamala harris will be in detroit, and also flint, which is a place you have constantly heralded that needs attention for any number of reasons. is this at least a step in a better direction for you? >> well, yes. i'm glad she's coming. what she needs to say, what joe needs to say to the people of flint is, number one, we're sending in the army corps of engineers as soon as we're in the white house and big up the poison pipes and finally put clean pipes in there. and this problem will go away like that. and that -- people in flint will be hearing that, and they need to hear just like that town out in montana that got poisoned -- the water got poisoned by the mining. so the federal government is guaranteed free health care for this town in montana for life because they're going to have life long problems. we need the

that's the attitude and i've taken a firm stance in detroit and supported by detroiters. it let me just say, detroit wants them gone. i'm not leaving, they have to leave. i have cited locally and nationally. i will hold my ground, are women and men who serve, they deserve more. i just want to say the los angeles county sheriff's have spent 20 of my years there on the l.a.p.d. so, it is despicable, i'm angry about it, and part of the whole agenda, that's what's going on. we need to call it what it is. >> martha: a wild back i interviewed the person in charge of black lives matter in greater new york and he said that if a black person becomes a cop, they're no longer a black person and they are blue. what do you say to him if he had the opportunity? >> that's ridiculous. i mean, the african-american, i'vmail my entire life. a proud african america and nobody gave me anything. for him to say that, who does he call in to this his family call when they need help? they call the police. >> martha: no doubt. from senator ed markey who won the election and massachusetts. he is say

remember, four years ago when donald trump went to an all-white suburb and spoke in michigan outside detroit and said he would get 95% of the african vote in 2020. clearly. he is not even trying to. black women he voted overwhelmingly for hillary clinton. especially not with kamala harris on the ticket. donald trump wants to depress the black turn out.

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in detroit, we are not putting up with that. there's only one response to that. >> police chief james craig, we really appreciate it very much. thank you very much, sir. i want to go back to jeff paul in louisville. of the same with the very latest, jeff. >> charles, for most of the day, this has been a very peaceful demonstration appeared many of these protesters, hundreds of them marching through the trees for several miles and no interaction between police and protesters and zero property damage or anything like that. all of a sudden there was a line drawn out here where police would not let the protesters get any further along here in louisville. i don't know what it was that set it off between police and protesters, but now you have maybe a dozen or so people with zip ties around their hands and their hands behind their backs as they wait to be processed. the police out here after this sort of confrontation happened where they started clearing people out. the majority of the protesters have been announcing an unlawful gathe

. >> chicago to detroit is a drive of less than 300 miles. there we found a city devastated by the virus. 40% of people here had lost their jobs. the first day of mass in more than three months, father mario amori is trying to keep his parish together, not only with prayers, but with food too. >> we serve the people here in downtown detroit. whether it's homeless, it's just people in need, whether it's our senior citizens who live here on the block, there are more than 800 of them. we serve the daily needs of people, whomever it is. they might need a sandwich or groceries. so most of our efforts through the parish over the past two months has been serving these zbleeds as we traveled across the midwest, we found affects closed and nerves frayed. pontiac has been a company town for 100 years. the gm plant at it linchpin here. >> what has covid done to this community? what does it done to the people working at the plant? >> it has instilled a lot of uncertainty and fear primarily. that's what it's done. obviously it's not just slowing pontiac d

police chief and former deputy may r i don't of detroit. thank you for coming on. i want to start with you. you heard the president say he does not think there is systemic racism by police, just a few bad apples that choke under pressure. the president avoided the question. he said we should be talking about violence in portland and kenosha. what is he missing? >> well, i think he's missing the whole point, which is that you now have millions and millions of white americans who might have ducked the same way three months ago, four months ago, might have tried some figure out some way not to answer the question who now agree -- polls show an unbelievable overwhelming majority of white americans accept that african-americans are not being treated fairly, especially by police, don't have the same shots their own kids do, and want something done about it. you can argue it should be this solution or that solution. but the basic idea that racism is much worse in this country than most people were willing to acknowledge three or four months ago, t

processing china anymore i'm joined by my guest tom wilkinson detroit he's president and c.e.o. of t w and associates as well as a regular contributor to china us focus dot com and we have james bradley in new zealand he is a new york times number one best selling author of china mirage as well as host of his own pod cast untold pacific right gentlemen cross uprose in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to new zealand 1st james. china is mentioned over and over in this election cycle in the united states the both parties like to differentiate themselves it seems like that's the message is the same in following this election and how china is. objectified i would say what is the biggest misconception about china as it's reported by the media. too big of a question it would take too many hours if we're going to talk about misconceptions about china no i would make the case that with china's population number one country in the world it's the least understood country by americans fewer americans have been that china over the last

we're very different here in detroit.ing. we'll didn't have burning here in detroit by and large the protests were peaceful without incident. there have been some days and our position is simple. detroiters don't want it and it must stop and i'm not afraid to stand up and say it. will: allowing for peaceful protests and stopping riots. best of luck in detroit. thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you, will. will: take care. senator kamala harris is slamming president trump over the economy during the pandemic. >> there is no question that donald trump has been an be a second failure when it comes to addressing the severe job loss that has happened. will: georgia senator kelly laugh ler is here to respond next. ♪ bigger, better, stronger, power ♪ ♪ i got that power ♪ [♪] every time you touch a surface, bacteria is left behind. now, consider how many times your family touches the surfaces in your home in 24 hours. try microban 24. spray on hard surfaces to kill 99.9% of viruses and bacteria initially. once dry, it f

from east to west communities felt the wrath of the beatty creek fire and detroit never had a chance to burn their that says volunteering with pride just speech to the furious 5 there was here in detroit attempting to save this town. >>that's all intents and purposes. dates lines and all suffered serious losses patch works of burned homes and businesses. >>standing in the community of lions we saw homes along the river turned into piles of ash is people are starting to matriculate into your respective towns, searching for friends, searching for parents and anything they can salvage. mill city their community was inexplicably mostly spared feel a little bit guilty that my place made and their students. >>there's homes that have been in this canyon 400 years plus that are gone now. and you know my 20 year-old home is still here. it may be a big significance to me, but it's not the canyon and i'm really just heartbroken. >>returning to the burn areas is also posing serious health concerns because the air quality one of the reasons they're keeping people out of the fire lines is simply t

to revitalize the future of detroit. nearly 20,000 auto manufacturing jobs have been lost in michigan under trump, nearly 80,000 were created during the obama-biden administration. i've got a long history of not just talking about what i'm going to do but delivering results for michiganders. now we need to do it again. we need to do the hard work, not only do recover but to build the economy back for the future once more. that's why my build-back better agenda, that's what it's about. starts right here with you. in the union halls across america. back in july, i made the first plank of my agenda, a plan to modernize american manufacturing and technology to ensure that the future is made in america. by all of you. today i'm announcing additional steps to make this plank even stronger. first, we're going to impose a tax penalty on companies that avoid paying u.s. taxes by off-shoring jobs and manufacturing. only to sell those goods back to the american consumer. if you're a big -- if you're a big corporate strategy is to b

back on, to revitalize the future of detroit. while 20,000 auto manufacturing jobs were lost, nearly 80,000 were creating during the obama/biden administration. i have a long history of not only talking about what i em going to do but delivering results for michiganders. now we need to do it again. we need to do the hard work not only to recover, but rebuild the economy back for the future once more. that's why my build back better agenda -- that's what it's all about -- starts right here with you and the union halls all across america. back in july i made the first plank of my agenda the plan to modernize american manufacturing and technology, to ensure that the future is made in america by all of you. and today i'm announcing some additional steps to make this plank even stronger. first we're going to impose a tax penalty of companies that avoid paying u.s. taxes by offshoring jobs and manufacturing only to sell those goods back to the american consumer. if you're a big -- if your big corporate strategy is to boost your shareho

desde hoy hasta el miÉrcoles, una calle se va a transformar en el detroit memorial drive.reducir de 2 aÑos a uno la renovaciÓn de sus permisos de trabajo. jaime garcÍa nos explica la nueva disputa. jaime: despuÉs de la breve historia concedida por la suprema corte hace dos meses y medio, se reanudÓ la batalla legal por el futuro de daca. el centro nacional para la ley de inmigraciÓn presentó esta demanda, pidiendo que se declaren ilegales los drÁsticos cambios al programa de acciÓn diferida, ordenados por el secretario interino del departamento de seguridad nacional en un memorando. >> el nuevo memorÁndum no es vÁlido, porque el mismo funcionario que lo firmÓ no estÁ autorizado bajo la ley para estar en el cargo en el que ha sido instalado. jaime: el memorando del 28 de julio impone un aÑo de vigencia a permisos de trabajo, y la protecciÓn de la aportación. con un costo de $495han sido vÁlidos por 2 aÑos, desde la creaciÓn de daca hace una dÉcada. >> efectivamente dobla el precio para solicitar daca. significa que los jÓvenes que tienen daca se tiene que preocupar cada aÑo

so biden visited the detroit area this month. kamala harris goes to flint and detroit on tuesday, but based on your conversations with voters in the swing districts, do you think the campaign's lack of a physical presence there in that state will end up affecting how people vote? >> so, i don't know. i mean, the voters that i spoke to you know, they weren't necessarily swayed one way or the other by biden's you know, relative lack of a physical presence. i also think covid-19 has a huge impact on this. i mean the reason that biden is not having major rallies, the reason he's not having big events, putting canvassers on the ground to go door to door is because the campaign is much more concerned with covid-19 than the trump campaign seems to be. so this is a public health decision. not a political strategy decision. to that end, the campaign has done a tremendous amount of digital field work. in the week after labor day, they sent out 500,000 texts to supporters roughly one every half second. so they are really trying to make up f

. >> meanwhile kamala harris is in michigan, the california senator was in detroit for an event for national voter registration date energy urged people to get out to the polls. residents in michigan can start voting in person this thursday. >> we have an election coming up in 42 days in michigan will be voting in 48 hours. on an issue that will turn the course of the future of our country in a very direct and immediate way.>> earlier harris participated in a roundtable event at a detroit barbershop. she also met with small business owners in flint michigan that have been stomach still ahead on kpix 5 and streaming on cbsn bay area, nfl coaches told to mask up for pay up. the punishment just handed down to the raiders head coach. >>> and halloween in a pandemic, new cdc guidelines weigh the risk of some popular activities. >>> and later, a side effect of quarantine, how the coronavirus is fueling a boom. >>> absolutely spectacular weather, it's been beautiful all day. but there is a big warm-up in >>>'s we have some breaking news from the east bay we want to get to. we are getting some repor

some teams are made for this like the detroit lions.ithin six feet of another player since 1998. i can say that because i'm a cleveland browns fan. and as a browns fan, detroit lions jokes are all we've got. god bless 'em. hey, speaking of sports are you familiar with the "beersketball challenge?" it started when i put out a song called "no i in beer" and some creative folks on tiktok took the ball and bounced it. ♪ cause we're all in this together ♪ ♪ to me, it's all clear ♪ drinkin' ought to be a team effort ♪ ♪ there is no i in beer ♪ >> it's a little trickier than it looks. but i happen to have a sidekick tonight who knows his way around a can of beer. how you doing, guillermo? >> guillermo: how you doin', mr. brad paisley? >> i'm doin' great. i see you've got your guitar, do you actually play that thing? >> guillermo: a little bit. you want to hear something? >> without a doubt. ♪ good luck tonight, mr. brad paisley ♪ >> okay, so he doesn't it actually play that thing. i'm glad you're here. because i know you have cat-like reflexes

to revitalize the future of detroit. and while nearly 20,000 auto manufacturing jobs have been lost in michigan under trump, nearly 80,000 were created during the obama/biden administration i've got long history of not just talking about what i'm going to do butmichiganders. and now we need to do it again we need to do the hard work, not only to recover, but to build the economy back for the future once more. that's why my build back better agenda, that's what it's all about. it starts right here with you. in the union halls all across america. back in july, i made the first plank of my agenda a plan to modernize american manufacturing and technology, to insure that the future is made in america. by all of you. and today, i'm announcing some additional steps to make this plank even stronger. first, we're going to impose a tax penalty on companies that avoid paying u.s. taxes by offshoring jobs and manufacturing. only to sell those goods back to the american consumer. if you're a big corporate strategy is to boost your sh

it's happening in detroit. my responsibility is you leave, i am staying. it is tragic because whether they are making a demand in portland, made a demand to have federal agents to leave so the rioting stopped, pulled back federal troops, federal agents and guess what, the ride escalated. you can't negotiate with domestic terrorists. i am not saying all the protesters are bad, but embedded are these criminals were focused on one thing, you cannot negotiate. is not about race, it is about you are not speaking our language, you must go but they are not speaking for the city and what we really need is for elected leaders, clergy leaders to stand together and say enough of this. shannon: we have seen mayors in portland and minneapolis where they've tried to find common ground with some of the folks who i'm sure want to be with the peaceful protesters with a strong message and wanted justice but the vault into riots and a lot of cities and they find it turned on them. there is only so far you can go with the extremist element that will catch up with you. we talk

what you see here in detroit versus many other cities. david: you mentioned a key point here which is lost on the mainstream media in general and a lot of other people. a lot of the disturbances that we have seen use racial, not about racial justice, they use racial justice for other ends. their ends is not, has nothing to do with racial justice. what it has to do with is changing the economic and social system that we have in the united states, right? >> absolutely. spot on, it has nothing to do with the ethnicity or gender after police chief. these folks are calling for mayors to resign as well. it doesn't matter if you're left or right. it has to do with what their agenda is. it is not supporting anybody who sits in office, anybody who is appointed as police chief. face it, we saw what happened in portland. this big hue and cry over federal officers on the ground to protect their facility. but then when they retreated the federal officers, they continued to riot. they continued to attack local police. it is never about what it appears.