betty: well, speaking about the german owner, deutsche telekom, there are reports that one of the reasons a deal might not happen with t-mobile is that they don't value dish shares as highly as you value them. there is a disconnect there. where do you think dish should really be trading at? charlie: well, i never can predict the stock market. i would only say that, in the long run, we think our shares are undervalued. what we think with the spectrum value that we have -- we are probably undervalued with the spectrum position that we have, but we have to prove it to the marketplace. betty: undervalued by how much, charlie? charlie: well, i don't know. i don't know. i mean, i can only speak as a shareholder. i haven't sold any shares recently. [laughter] charlie: so i still have the shares that i -- from when we originally started the company. so i believe in the long-term future of the company. i mean, this is our 35th year in business and i think our best days are ahead of us. so i think it is ultimately how you can -- how you can manage the company and how you can take advantage of the t

and i said that when we worked with friends at goldman sachs, germans on deutsche telekom, it taken 16 years. and this was done in six months. what he did command he was a mastera master, tell the story of how these transactions fit into the bigger picture. use them as letters to drive reform in china, open up china to more competition and use it internally, these external deals just like you use the wto china succession >> he reminds me of my 1st trip to china with ronald reagan in 1984, still talking going into the trip of the red china. definitely a buzzword. by the time he came out after a stop in shanghai and meeting with university students we had several days stop in alaska and fairbanks and he had a news conference and ronald reagan agreeing to communist started talking about the so-called capitalist, the chinese capital, seeing a different side of china clearly in terms of what they wanted. if they still feel the chinese military, the government itself according to every us official talk to is still stealing intellectual property, targeting us with cyber attacks he makes no mi

betty: well, speaking about the german owner, deutsche telekom, there are reports that one of the reasons deal might not happen with t-mobile is that they don't value dish shares as highly as you value them. there is a disconnect there. where do you think dish should really be trading at? charlie: well, i never can predict the stock market. i would only say that, in the long run, we think our shares are undervalued. what we think with the spectrum value that we have -- we are probably undervalued with the spectrum position that we have, but we have to prove it to the marketplace. betty: undervalued by how much, charlie? charlie: well, i don't know. i don't know. i mean, i can only speak as a shareholder. i haven't sold any shares recently. [laughter] charlie: so i still have the shares that i -- from when we originally started the company. so i believe in the long-term future of the company. i mean, this is our 35th year in business and i think our best days are ahead of us. so i think it is ultimately how you can -- how you can manage the company and how you can take advantage of the thi