earl devaney, i would be interested, if we could get an answer from the stimulus accountability czar on where is all that money, how much of it has been spent and where, how much of it went into infrastructure, how much converted into jobs, how much of that infrastructure is going to be usable and useful and stimulate the economy. i would like to see the list. i understand the number of those dollars that have gone into infrastructure is 3% to 4% of the $787 billion that were appropriated in the stimulus plan, which was same as the tarp funding, hurry up and put the money out now because we are in an economic tailspin. we had a chicken little drill going on here in this capitol and it yielded about $1.5 trillion from the taxpayers that my grandkids are going to have on to pay and we don't know where the money went and we don't know how it is that all this money that is appropriated didn't get implemented. now we have this long-term debt for america, that once you take on that kind of debt, even whatever your economic crisis is that your's in, taking on debt, delays it, delays the rec

. >> the devaney figures as far as a guesstimate about how far you can go as far as-- was a limit? >> how you plan to pay for it? >> we are working with the congressional budget office. in fact, every time we think of an alternative, will have a different score. sometimes the congressional budget office tells us one alternative cost less and another one would cost more, and as a result of that interplay, and we are making their decisions. so, we don't have the figures of how much this is going to cost, but we are going to pay for this bill and we are going to pay for it in two ways. we are going to pay for it by cutting down on expenditures and some of the public programs, medicare and medicaid. we are going to pay for it by reforms in the system that will hold down costs for everyone. reforms like toys, and reforms like an emphasis on prevention and primary care. and we are going to pay for it by rabin is. we put out in our draft today a list of options for some of the cuts that could be made in existing programs. these are based on a menu of options that the president has submitt