and so he gets up, devers nicks gets up, starts testifying. i looked over at his lawyer, five minutes later, his lawyer was like -- [ snoring ] so devers kept right on testifying, yeah, i was in the klan. he was trying to put a positive spin on it. "the klan was a benevolent organization, passing out fruit baskets to the needy at christmas." under cross-examination, the prosecutor got up and said, mr. nicks, just how many fruit baskets did you pass out? and devers said, oh, sad to say, none. i swear, it was the funniest trial i ever covered in my life as a reporter. deadly serious matter, but funny trial. sam bowers was represented by this guy on the right, his name is travis buckley. he was not just a lawyer for the klan. he was a leader in the klan. he was actually indicted in the vernon damar firebombing at one point, okay? so billy roy pitts testified about this planning meeting that took place prior to the attack on vernon damar and his family. and buckley asked him about it. it's like, now, mr. pitts, who all was at that planning meeting?