_ professor devi sridhar, is that not riuht? . . professor devi sridhar, is that not riuht? _ right? yes, but if this was the right run approach to - right? yes, but if this was the right run approach to take, i l right run approach to take, i apologise. —— if this was the wrong approach to take. i wanted my decisions to be as informed as possible. perhaps one of the reasons why in the early exchange i was saying i hadn't slept much, i read extensively from public sources of articles and research studies online. i was trying to understand as much as possible and as quickly as much as possible and as quickly as possible and i took the view that if somebody could help me with that and said me something i would otherwise see... i'm not even sure come up with my apologies to her, that i would have necessarily read everything she sent me because i may have already seen it or i would perhaps not think it was particularly relevant but i had a desire to have as much information in order to deepen my understanding of the situation we were facing as i could. and while there are things

, the first minister— professor devi sridhar, the first minister of wales mark drakeford and former—ichelle o'neill. is northern ireland michelle o'neill. is that _ northern ireland michelle o'neill. is that correct?— northern ireland michelle o'neill. is that correct? yes. you produce no messaues is that correct? yes. you produce no messages with _ is that correct? 13:3 you produce no messages with these individuals is that correct? 133 you produce no messages with these individuals in your first _ messages with these individuals in your first statement, is that correct _ your first statement, is that correct chris neal yes, but i said in the _ correct chris neal yes, but i said in the statement, those messages would _ in the statement, those messages would have been extremely limited. if i would have been extremely limited. if i take _ would have been extremely limited. if i take john swinney for example, if i takejohn swinney for example, it has never been a practice, not just during the pandemic, but generally, to text, i don't think i have ever sent to whatsapp tojohn swinney an

live now to devi sridhar, professor of global public health at edinburgh medical school.mme, thanks for being with us. we've heard from the world food programme about the humanitarian picture in gaza. you wrote a piece in the guardian titled notjust bullets and bombs talking about the global picture. give us a sense of what it's like on the ground in gaza and how that compares to what we've seenin and how that compares to what we've seen in other conflicts around the world. ~ . , , seen in other conflicts around the world. ~ , , world. was seen it complete breakdown _ world. was seen it complete breakdown of _ world. was seen it complete breakdown of the _ world. was seen it complete breakdown of the public - world. was seen it complete i breakdown of the public health system, even things that keep people safe and healthy, protection, access to medical care are not being provided on the ground, and with 85% of the population displaced, it's very hard to deliver the kind of basic measures human needs that humans need to survive, especially in a population that has a large