>> house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes has been pushing for information on this confidential source, the president and the white house have talked about it being an informant, but this morning, he said nunes, he will not attend any more meetings from the doj until he gets the documents. so tell us about how this is influencing, disrupting congress, i mean what does this do when devin nunes makes statements like that and essentially imply that he is working in the interest, solely of the president? >> yeah, it's worth noting this whole fight over the informant, it began with a subpoena from devin nunes, who was looking for information about this confidential source, and it's not the first time we have had nunes and other house republicans demand information related to the start of the russia investigation. there were fights over the fisa memo, a two-page document that actually kicked off the investigation itself, and nunes

same racket that's been going on. >> so you think that -- what you're saying, basically, is that devin nunesent of president trump's defense and his sullying of the criminal justice system and the department of justice? >> yeah, unfortunately, congressman nunes has played that role now for a while. i don't know exactly why or when he decided to do that but it's clear that he's been doing that for a while. >> and so why do you think in that case the fbi director chris wray and dan coats are going along with opening these files and revealing a confidential informant's name? >> that's a great question and i hope that you put that question to them directly. i don't understand first of all, why they're going along with a meeting that they understand is a break from standard procedure that everybody that's relevant to this investigation, in other words, the investigators should all be present for this even if it's not the larger intelligence committee, even if it's just the so-called gang of eight which would include our ranking member adam schiff, everybody who's a relevant investigator should be

devin nunes has acted as the defense attorney for president donald trump.thrown every variety of spaghetti on the wall and it goes back to trying to help the president prove that obama wiretapped him in trump tower to the unmasking scandal, to the steele dossier the start of the investigation. all of that stuff turned out the be 100% false. what's scary about this, alisyn, first of all, most importantly, we're talking about sources here, right? so today in my home state of connecticut, there are law enforcement people at the fbi who are going to drug gangs trying to get people to be informants. they're telling people, we might pay you, you'll do the right thing. we will protect your identity. of course they're cia officers all over the world in places like baghdad going around helping keep us safe by recruiting sources. what devin nunes is doing and a couple of my republicans are doing is they are sending a signal around the world that some quirky, completely factless investigation may cause you as an informant or you as a cia asset to be exposed. that is g

everybody wondering what's next from devin nunes at this point. andrea: the concern fromorr intelligence officials who serve both democ rtic andublican white houses is that this is a terriblerecedent, intrusion into a classified process that should not be partisan. the gang of eight are the bipartisan oversight leaders of intelligence and the speaker and the my and minority leaders and that it never should have been put in this context and initially was not going to include adam schiff. so for the white house to order this to take place, to demand it, really, through devin nunes, on his behalf, when he is a subject, if not a target, but a subject of a criminal investigation of which this is a material part, is just so inappropriate that lawyers who worked in the justice department in the past, as wein as lligence officials, are very, very uncomfortable and think of i size a terrible revers of decades of precedent. robert: right before we went to r, the a.p. reported mayor st forni will req documents and is urging the president to push on this issu

it describes a first meeting with john kelly, devin nunes, and gowdy. and a second meeting with the department of justice and the same individuals and all gang of eight members. the white house putting this out through the doj quite late at night. let's get to it. mimi roker, john allen, and kimberly, an msnbc analyst. what do you think of the news and why is it coming out so late at night. >> why would it be so different than breaking news that breaks on another day. i think there has been a bit of a scramble to put together exactly how this meeting that the president has demanded and which was apparentlyset up by rod rosenstein to placate the president who seemed ready to take a more drastic action against this investigation. this is something that is not normal. normally when there is an ongoing investigation by federal authorities, the oversight doesn't come in the middle. it comes once it's complete, once there's conclusions, and then if there's questions about the process then the folks go in and take a look at it so the investigation itself is no

the mueller investigation reaches a crescendo, it's nearly certain, so, too, will the efforts of devin nunes latest ploy, nunes is now demanding he be given the documents related to the confidential fbi source who spoke with trump campaign aides in 2016 about russia's interference in the election. he's refusing to meet with the doj until he gets that information. >> if any of that is true, if they ran a spy ring or an informant ring and they were paying people within the trump campaign, if any of that is true, that is an absolute red line. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> again, the breaking news, the white house has decided to invite democrats to a classified meeting of the russian investigation, but only after the memorial day recess. i'm joined now by a member of the house intelligence committee, democratic congressman, joaquin castro of texas. i mentioned in the introto randi's piece, your conversation with devin nunes. can you explain a little bit more what you said to him and what he said to you? >> yeah, it was a very brief exchange, because he basically walked off. but this

information about the source who was reporting back to the fbi. >> in response to a subpoena from devin nunes. that's part of the reason why he is fired up. this is a meeting he is supposed to have with speed 24 and justice department and fbi officials. it's a subpoena that nunes pushed. >> shannon: that meeting is happening at 12:00. then we have a list happening at 2:00. the same players, including the gang of eight. >> including nunes. >> shannon: he is not on the list at the second meeting. >> that is key. it's interesting to the because literally i didn't see that list because i was on the phone with nunes as it was being put out. that's part of the reason why he's angry. you are right. somehow the justice department and fbi seems to think that if the second meeting, nunes will not attend. >> shannon: he is planning on going. >> he's planning on going. he said i will see you at 2:00 p.m. because he's a member of the gang of eight. he's the chairman of the house intel, gang of eight, insider washington term. top republican, top democrat on the house intel and senate intel. bottom line is

i don't feel like defending jeff session or devin nunes. >> but in your experience with devin nunes, does he do anything that goes against what the white house wants? >> no. i think at this point -- well not at this point. for a while now he's basically been somebody who is doing the white house's bidding. who is doing donald trump's bidding and in many ways, as i said before, has made his career -- his political career a sacrifice fly for the president of the united states, donald trump. >> president is tweeting about the russia probe today. let me put it up on the screen and read it to you. the russia witch hunt is rapidly losing credibility. house intelligence committee found no collusion, coordination or anything else with russia. so now the probe said okay, what else is there. how about obstruction for a madeup phony crime. there is no o, referring to obstruction, it is called -- fighting back. some legal experts believe tweets like this might be more evidence of actual obstruction. how do you see it? >> well, there really is no question there was collusion. the only issue is ho

wait till you hear what devin nunes is up to today.r in chief at the law fair blog and betsy woodruff political reporter with the daily beast. let me start with you, dan. he subpoenaed the department of justice for information on a person that the department said if it was revealed would essentially reveal sources and methods and nunes said no, no, no, i was never interested in any individual. and then the washington post got its hands on the document. it's very clear nunes was looking for an individual. today he went over and met with the doj. what's going on here? >> well, i mean, i guess the latest is that it does seem that maybe he is backing down. although, it's always premature to say that about devin nunes. look, this is an extremely upsetting situation. every time you think that there is -- you've reached the low with the chairman of the house intelligence committee, you know, he finds a way to knock at you from below that. and, you know, going after information about an intelligence source is a violation of the most sacred tru

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great question. >>> devin nunes and oversight committee chairman trey gowdy have been invited to the justice department for a classified briefing thursday. this follows outright threats from nunes to hold attorney general jeff sessions in contempt. the department of justice now reportedly wants to work with lawmakers concerning their latest request for documents, requests that have been ignored and stonewalled throughout. our first guest tonight is one of those leading the fight against the department of justice and fbi efforts to undermine the constitutional authority of congress in its oversight responsibilities. joining us tonight is congressman jim jordan. he serves as a member of the house judiciary and oversight committees. also a member of the house freedom caucus. congressman, great to have you here. >> good to be with you. lou: it appears that you have solved part of the puzzle. >> yeah. lou: the department of justice will respond to threats of contempt citations and impeachment as delivered by chairman nunes. >> we'll see what happens tomorrow, if in fact they get to see the

i have to give devin nunes credit. he's actually the good defense attorney that donald trump has been desperately looking for. the house intelligence committee under devin nunes has become a joke. it has no credibility. i give credit to the senate intelligence committee that at least has been acting like professionals and adults under their republican chairman and democratic ranking member. it is embarrassing to me as a house member i can't say the same about the house intelligence committee. devin nunes and some of the senior republican leadership on that committee has been more interested in playing political games and protecting this administration than actually getting to the truth. >> let's talk about politics then, real and perceived. the conversation up until now has been how can republicans avoid talking about the russia investigation as they face their midterm elections and on the flip side, how the democrats are going to capitalize on it, which has me wondering this morning what then is the president trying t

why didn't devin nunes want democrats there? >> because this is a charade. this is a paranoid president who is calling the shots, who believes that he will get more traction, he will be able to undermine the mueller investigation by identifying this as spygate, when, in fact, any other rational person would recognize if four persons highly placed within their campaign were being recruited by the russians, you would think that the candidate would want the fbi to be investigating this because we do not want russia calling the shots in our country. >> we think it was three people inside the campaign that this confidential informant met with, but on a larger issue, first of all, did you want to be invited to this meeting? did you ask the chairman of your committee if you could go? >> no, i did not because it truly belongs with the gang of eight. i certainly would like to be briefed as i'm sure all of my colleagues on the committee would like to be briefed. if it was appropriate. this is being run by the white house, this is an effort to glean information and sha

lou: it's important to give devin nunes and his commit its due. compare him to any other chairman, any other member of leadership of the republican congress and he stand head and shoulders above them in his integrity, energy and intellect and perseverance in pursuing the truth behind this wall of frankly misinformation and disinformation emanating from the fbi and the justice department. >> devin has been right about a lot of this from the very beginning. where you had people in the house, even on the republican side saying mueller has an important job to do. we are not going to question he stocked his team with democrats. devin said there is something that's not smelling right about this and the more digging that's been done, the more wrongdoing has been exposed. lou: your reaction to t.s. ellis, the district court judge in virginia. smacked around mueller's attorneys. giving them two weeks to produce the memorandum. and they were condescending to that judge. i have got to tell you, this district court judge student and called them what they are,

you know, you've got devin nunes as the guy -- we all know that devin nunes is compromised. lindsey graham in march of 2017 said that nunez has lost his ability to lead. what argument can be played that it's only these guys in the room? >> it won't be convincing arguments for sure. >> maybe it doesn't have to be convincing as long as it works for trump. >> rudy giuliani gave an enter rue to help post among evening, saying in his point ever view, this oversight is most useful because it provides discovery. they're finding information about what mueller has, which he wants to know, as he's negotiating the terms of what gets asked and what doesn't get asked if they have a conversation with mueller and the president. i think that's is what's happening here. the problem with the republicans and trump here with the spygate comments and stacking the deck with people like nunes and the republican party, he's creating pressure on something he can't possibly deliver. we've seen that with the memo. >> remember that nonsense nunes memo. oh, my goodness, it's coming and he looked like a

. >>> the house intel committee air is devin nunes.s threatening to hold attorney general sessions in contempt for not turning over classified russia materials to congress. this is one of the big ignored stories in the media because it is so significant. it doesn't have of word trump in the headline. imagine devin nunes, actively working with the white house during part of his investigation, now going after the president's choice of attorney general. there are signs that his actions in this committee and his close ties are putting his reelection at risk. could democrats pull off an upset, and this would be a big one, in november. here's the story. >> reporter: california's central valley, farming, ranching, conservative. deeply conserve is active. >> today i briefed the president. >> reporter: devin nunes, the republican congressman, chairman of the house intelligence committee, a man the left loves to hate for his central role in the russia investigation, is viewed by protesters who have gathered in front of his district office every

congressman devin nunes. >> i think that mr. eaten. >> reporter: here's his most likely challenger. >> devin nunes, i believe, wholeheartedly, is a threat to our national security. >> reporter: andrew janz, prosecutor, democrat, political rookie who's raised over $1.8 million for his campaign, nearly $500,000 since april 1st. does andrew janz have a snowball's chance in hell? >> maybe what's most important is the voter registration. so 42% republican, 32% democrat, 20% decline to state. maybe in that third group, ja sometime z can pull some votes. >> reporter: he's talking about education, veterans' affairs, health, and water here deep in farm country. here in his campaign office in visalia, it is obvious what the number one focus is of this campaign. >> he's forgotten us, he hasn't held a town hall since 2010, a real town hall. >> reporter: nunes disputes that. janz slams him on russia. >> i don't know if he himself has some potential liability or if it's out of some misguided attempt to protect the president of the united state

let me go to contempt issue that we spoke to devin nunes about.avid, get your take on that. >> this is government working for devin nunes to go forward with this. we wish a constitutional crisis but not the constitutional cry six that senator schumer and others talked about. when we have a rogue special prosecutor run amok and a justice department not responding to legitimate concerns from the article i body of congress we risk a constitutional crisis. there must be cooperation. i'm sorry if it has to come to contempt. i think we maybe need to look to changing people in positions. >> sean: either they do their job now -- this has gone on for well over a year. this is when jason chaffetz will join us later. he was asking for this information. sara, i read all 50 paces of what happened in the manafort case. now four times. i have read it all four times. i showed our audience just the highlights. this was the biggest judicial beat-down. i used to read scalia and his scathes defense. this is a far bigger beat-down to mueller or weissman who we warned

the house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes is back in the news. congress to hold attorney general jeff sessions in contempt. nunes says the doj is holding classified materials related to the russia meddling investigation. the doj says, yes, it is holding information with the help of the fbi and other intelligence agencies. quote, disclosure of responsive information to such requests can risk severe consequences, including potential loss of lives. to that nunes said this. >> we're just not going to take this nonsense of every time we peel something back, every team we need information we get ignored, we get stalled, we get stonewalled, and then lo and behold, we get accused of we're going to destroy the nation's ability to keep it secure. >> so a champion of truth, justice and transparency or shell man for the president on television? >> the interesting part here, to not directly answer your question, is there is an element of truth to this. when it comes to the justice department national security side of things in general, when it comes to respon

to understand why paul ryan has let devin nunes do what he has done.e friends. ryan -- this is one position that -- paul ryan has complete control over who has the chairmanship of the intelligence committee. but at the same time he has not put any of the -- any limits on devin nunes. you've seen him try to push back with trey gowdy. that's why you see goudey invol -- him involved in these meetings. but this has spiralled out of control with consequences we don't understand. >> we've gone an hour and 24 minutes without mentioning the fact that it's your birthday, my friend. happy birthday. >> happy birthday! >> thank you. >> got you two briefings at the white house to cover for your birthday. >> never a dull moment. >> thanks, happy birthday. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," president trump tweeted his birds eye view, complete with sound track, of new york city aboard marine one yesterday. up next, the city's mayor, democrat bill de blasio is standing by. he'll joined our conversation when we come right back. thanks for the ride-along, captain! i've ne

questions tonight about what republicans do next, if they drop this push on capitol hill, particularly devin nunes, who declined to comment, yet to issue a statement whether or not he is satisfied, since he's been the one leading the charge on this issue. >> silence from nunes. supposedly not involved with the investigation. but obviously paul ryan and mitch mcconnell saying they are satisfied, nothing seemed to come out of this. thank you very much, manu. democratic senator from connecticut richard blumenthal sits on the senate judiciary committee. senator, you're hearing these pieces start to come out from the likes of senator warner, senator mcconnell, congressman schiff. have you heard anything about the briefing? >> i know with great certainty about the briefing, that it broke all the norms of grand jury secrecy, of rules protecting covert intelligence sources for there to be any disclosure to anyone at those meetings. and let's be very clear. this presence of the white house, not the white house counsel, but the white house in the sense of the president's personal lawyer -- >> right, represe

well, in this case, republican congressman devin nunes, the head of the intelligence committee in the house, his subpoena for information about the confidential source that talked to members of the trump campaign, his subpoena reportedly demands all information that the justice department has related to that individual, which means what devin nunes has demanded from the justice department is not just the identity of that source and what actions he has taken on behalf of the u.s. government while operating in a covert capacity, that subpoena would also appear to be an effort to pry out of the justice department whatever evidence he turned up. whatever information and evidence that informant was able to turn up when, in fact, he talked to people on the trump campaign about russia, what russia was doing. the justice department has been sliding down this slippery slope for months, handing over the kind of information they never release about ongoing investigations. but the identity of a confidential source, all justice department records about that source? the evidence that source was abl

congressman devin nunes. thank you very much, devin for being here. >> that's the president praising devin nunes whole will get a look at the classified information from the russian investigation. >> so much has been coming at us, is this the same devin nunes that held a press conference at the capital. >> he went scurrying to the white house. >> said i have information i must pass along to the white house that will -- it had to do with -- i have important information that i -- let me be perfectly clear, i am taking to the white house and i am not a crook. and then he comes out, and to the white house, and he's been given information -- inside the white house. >> who does that? >> after lying to reporters, saying i must go -- he's nothing but a floor fied courier. >> i believe they call it the midnight run. >> didn't charles grodin. >> he was great in that movie. >> grodin. one of the greats. >> "heaven can wait" with warren beatty, was grodin not great? >> and -- >> stay focused. >> willie, i got you. >> so

devin nunes.dent's stooge on the house intel committee for reasons unknown to all of us. is there anyone in the administration who wants to get to to bottom of russian interference in our democracy? anyone? >> i think they actively want to interfere with the investigation because they fear it's going to bring down the president. the justice department does not turn over materials that relates to ongoing investigations because it could jeopardize those investigations. they have walked over that line several times. the current dispute over what they turn over to devin nunes refers to information that the justice department said would jeopardize a classified source, put their life in danger. that is usually when the congress says enough, they stop. paul ryan -- nunes couldn't do this without paul ryan's backing. >> let's show everybody what we are talking about. the speaker today making abundantly clear when he had to choose sides he chose devin nunes. >> i think this request is wholly appropriate. i

devin nunes and trey gowdy. leaving democrats with no seat at table and no way of knowing what information will be shared. >> my hope would be that any such briefing needs to be both bipartisan and my hope and prayer is that the fbi or the department of justice would not in any way be forced to reveal confidential information. that would go against 75 years of practice. >> reporter: former fbi director james comey blasting the president for the order. tweeting, the fbi use of confidential human sources, the actual term is tightly regulated and essential to protecting the country. adding, a -- attacks on the fbi and the work will do lasting damage to our country. trump's response. >> we're not undercutting, we're cleaning everything up. this was a terrible situation. what we're doing is we're cleaning everything up. it is so important, what i'm doing is a service to this country. and i did a great service to this country by firing james comey. >> reporter: the whole episode has further soured an already complicat

do you think devin nunes and trey gowdy are looking at that stuff? >> trey gowdy is a man of integrity. and devin nunes continues to embarrass himself as the so-called chairman of the intelligence committee and despite the personalities of the two individuals, the fact that they are both democrats, partisan individuals as opposed to an inclusive process where you have democrats is problematic, but again, this is all just another big type of distraction connected to the trump show. we've got to make sure that we uphold the rule of law, but democrats here on capitol hill are going to continue to focus on better jobs, better wages and better future and working on good, economic growth for the american people, as well. >> look, that worked for some democrats overnight in the primaries and let's talk about the state of georgia. you've got the democrat, stacy abrams there and the gubernatorial candidate being the first african-american woman from a major party in any state. the new york times had an interesting take by how she ran. did she signal she's ple

one the white house intel chairman devin nunes. over sight chairman and doj officials. the gang of eight. i want to get to the folks who are here. the gang of eight meeting. we heard it was going to be after. this is a separate meeting from your former colleagues. why not just have one briefing for everyone? >> i would have one briefing for everyone. i was chair of the house ethics committee. it operates in a similar way to the intelligence committee. everything is done secretly and quietly. i never would have met with witnesses, conducted any interviews or anything of substance on sensitive information without the minority members present with me. we should always have to work

attending this briefing, just house republicans, devin nunes and trey gaudy but the trump administration relented and allowed a democrat adam schiff into that briefing at the justice department and then a second briefing on capitol hill inviting republicans and democrats and supposed to happen with intelligence matters in this duty of congressional oversight. supposed to be bipartisan. but all that said, in a move that republicans are calling odd at the very least the white house also chose today to send to those briefings chief of staff john kelly as well as this man -- emmit flooded. kelly and flood. flood as you may real a member of the team defending president trump in the russia information. in fact, on may 2nd joining the white house counsel's office sarah sanders said flood, quote, joining the white house staff to represent the president and the administration against the

the house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes, he wants congress to hold the attorney general of the united states jeff sessions in contempt of congress for failing to hand over some requested classified materials related to the russia investigation. what is going on here? >> reporter: he issued a subpoena last week to the justice department and they told him they would not be able to comply with because it refers to a quote, specific individual and providing that information according to the justice department could harm -- could risk lives and could have serious consequences and national security but nunez is not buying that warning that he's -- he wants to move forward on a contempt resolution to hold jeff sessions, the attorney general, in contempt. now earlier today at a press conference in california, jeff sessions was asked about this and he made it very clear he's not going to comply with nunez's request. >> the department of justice is written him a letter in responded -- as appropriate to him. the request he's made is one that the intelligence

the standoff between devin nunes, trey gowdy, the doj of our classified documents is now coming to a big head. we'll tell you what to expect at tomorrow's meeting and also, rod rosenstein created an unmitigated deep sea disaster by appointing robert mueller. we have a law professor who is now calling rod rosenstein did unconstitutional. brand-new, the american center for law and justice, they are reporting that 30,000 emails exist between a content state department at the clinton foundation proving that there was collusion. former clinton pollster, chief strategist mark penn is blasting the entire mueller investigation. he joins us tonight. first, a very important breaking news opening monologue. ♪ the president now is reacting to a flood of information coming out about how the deep state targeted and in fact spied on his campaign. on twitter earlier today, he wrote... we've been saying that we didn't we call this the year of the boomerang? exactly what this is. you have a criminal deep state and that is all coming out at breakneck speed. it is literally hour by hour, the things that

intelligence committee chair chan devin nunes. he's calling for a contempt citation against jeff sessions and possibly rod rosenstein. he has had a belly full of their stone wall and refusal to acknowledge the constitution and the oversight responsibilities of the u.s. congress. >> you are exactly right. chairman nunes has not only done an outstanding job, i had a conversation with him a few hours ago. he's meeting with his intel committee members as we ramp up the pressure. we have one real problem right now. we have a department of just its under this administration that's saying they will not give documents to congress that's we are entitled to constitutionally. and we have a department of justice that's trying to write a narrative that suggests the american people don't need to sight. i'm not seeing a lot of

this is a stunning statement by devin nunes. that is on top of of course the fbi, doj lying, misleading fisa judges, multiple times in order to get a fisa warrant to spy on a trump campaign associate in the weeks leading up to an election and for an entire year, four judges lied to, they never would have told the truth, they never were told it was a bought and paid brooklyn to dossier that was not verified, not cooperated. now there is a new dynamic to this massive scandal. now the possibility of an fbi mole that was inside the trump campaign? chairman nunes is now investigating this huge development. take a look. >> you had fusion gps that was hired by the democratic party and the clinton campaign to draw up a dossier on the president -- or when the president was running for president. what happened with that, in his testimony, he mentioned that there was a source within the campaign. >> glenn simpson runs fusion gps. >> glenn simpson said that enclosed testimony, now it became public, he confirmed he was telling congress the t

. >> and a very courageous man, he's courageous, congressman devin nunes. thank you very much, devin, for being here, appreciate it. >> he is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. for weeks he's been seeking information on a top secret intelligence source who reportedly contacted two trump campaign advisers and one official, including carter page, who was already under suspicion for contacts with russia and george papadopoulos, whose drunken boasting about getting dirt on the clinton campaign triggered the investigation in the first place. senior fbi and intelligence officials warned that providing the information could jeopardize the source and at that point the president agreed. then right-wing media got ahold of the story. on may 10th an op-ed ran in "the wall street journal." did the bureau engage in out right spying against the trump 2016 campaign. rush limbaugh talked about a spy in the campaign citing devin nunes and two days later andrew mccarthy wrote from pain staking research, nunes and committee staff believe they have identified such

i will tell you, republicans like devin nunes are pushing back tonight, saying that sally yates and otherre just trying to divert attention from the real story, that in the words of nunes, a red line was crossed with the fbi allegedly infiltrated the trump campaign and allegedly spied on it. a that meeting you mentioned, the president with rod rosenstein, christopher wray, the fbi director, they basically -- the president was demanding a new investigation to find out how this pressure probe started. the president it appears got some concrete action. press secretary sarah sanders telling us "based on the meeting with president, the department of justice has asked the department addresses to expand its current investigation to include any irregularities with the fbi's department of justices tactics with regard to the trump campaign. it was also agreed that john kelly was immediately set up a meeting with the fbi, doj, and director of national intelligence with correct all my congressional leaders to review highly classified and other information they have requested." that means that he will

intelligence and a top justice department official to give that briefing to republican congressman devin nunes trey gowdy. the white house says the meeting is for nunes and gowdy to, quote, review highly classified and other information they have requested. now whatever sensitive information the white house is ordering the justice department to reveal, it's only going to get revealed to those two pro-trump republican members of congress, which is unusual, and we'll talk about that in a moment. but it's not like anybody is hiding what the purpose is of this meeting. the president's russia lawyer, rudy giuliani, said a couple of days ago, as his client, the president had started publicly demanding exposure of this fbi source, mr. giuliani told reporters that his client, the president, needs more information about this confidential fbi source, so he can know what the special counsel has on him, in terms of evidence, before he agrees to an interview with the special counsel. quote, we can't let our guy go in and be questioned without knowing this. giuliani, quote, acknowledged that the fbi releasi

trey gowdy and devin nunes, despite devin nunes' great successes in leading the house intelligence committee and doing yeoman work while doing it, this looks really bad as if congress has given up its oversight responsiblitieresponsiblitiesre. >> every republican should stand behind devin nunes wb, trey gowy trying to do, to provide base click oversight of the department of justice. one of my biggest disappointments is attorney general sessions. i think he's there in name only. and until president trump puts in a new attorney general who can actually do the job, we're going to continue to have these problems. lou: let me ask you a political question. and it follows -- talking earlier on the broadcast with chris farrell of judicial watch. he says the time of being a nice guy is over. it's time to engage the deep state, the opposition dems and the left and raise holy hell about the special counsel who is trying, as he put it, to carry out a coups against this president. your thoughts ? -l. >> i think across the board, when are the republicans going to start to play offense. they have the house

republican congressman trey gowdy sat in as well as devin nunes.r the first time about what he learned during the briefing. he said, i'm even more convinced that the fbi did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got and it has nothing to do with donald trump. today on cbs this morning, he elaborated. >> when the fbi comes into contact with information about what a foreign government may be doing in our election cycle, i think they have an obligation to run it out. what i have seen, i don't know what the fbi could have or should have done other than run out a lead that someone loosely connected with the campaign was making assertions about russia. i would think you would want the fbi to find out whether or not there was any validity to what those people were saying. >> in other words, the congressman or republican congressman, former federal prosecutor, he was saying this was the fbi doing its job. not the fbi doing a job on the trump campaign. >> i think the fbi, if they were at the table this morn

and that is why the fbi and the department of justice are fighting with devin nunes over releasing who this person is. look at what devin nunes has done with other situations in this case, certainly with other memos, with other information that has come to them. they do not need this informant's information out there. they do not need -- the fbi, that is, they do not need this informant to be in any way politicized. and we don't know what information quite frankly this informant was providing. this informant could have been providing information on the russians or others that may have been trying to collude with the campaign. look, there is an enormous investigation that bob mueller has undertaken in terms of what the russians here were doing, and that is still a very active investigation and they are looking to bring charges against russians for hacking, for some of the money that perhaps was being given to straw donors in the u.s. this is what this informant could also be providing. we just don't know enough details. for folks to be out there like giuliani and certainly the president