if you remember when devin nunes and meadows started raising questions about the fisa.es comey says there can't be any abuses. there is up a process in place. you can't imagine how much work we put into it. it allowed 75 fisas to be submitted with false or inaccurate or omitted information. the same allegation when see in the carter page fisa of 2016. it debunks a lot of trust us concerns. those processes only work if people tell the truth. in those documents there is a pattern and practice before 2016 during mueller's term as fire director. donald trump is a powerful man. but what about the people who don't have this lawyersage the congressional oversight? this could be going on every day to every day americans? lou: the president is being subverted by that very process and becomes the first president to our knowledge to ever be spied upon by his own national security agencies, including that of course of the fbi. it is -- do you think there will ever be any accounting for those abuses? >> i think it first thing that's happening -- there is a big moment this week. you

then devin nunes walked in, and the chance was less than zero.ected of having given information during the nighttime rendezvous at the white house. look who's here i said to rod, referring to rosenstein. rosenstein understood went to talk to nunez, nunez is staying, he's not recused himself from this. he refuses to leave. if everything that's being reported is as is, that andy mccabe did brief all these folks and they knew this. how much pressure does that put on devin nunes and his actions during the summer and fall of '17? >> well, it puts some pressure, but i'll begin by saying, i don't put a lot of stock into what andy mccabe says. this is a guy who was fired because the inspector general found he leads. so i frankly don't know if this is a factual statement from mccabe. i want to see corroborating evidence as it was said before. a transcript, to see if he clearly informed the members of the intelligence committees, and if p they truly understood what he was talking about. i mean, we just can't take andy mccabe at his word sadsly. >> frank, t

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now what i discovered, representative devin nunes told me when i asked him, what is going on with this investigation? he said, well, we were promised a year ago, and the president ordered the director of national intelligence, as well as the national security agency, to set up a repository. this is a classified setting where they can go through these highly classified documents, basically unmasked americans, and we are still waiting. they have not given us access to it, despite the fact that they told he lawmakers more than a year ago that they would do it immediately. and they have just stymied them and stymied them so they have not been able to review these unmasking's. remember samantha powers, the u.s. and faster at the time? >> sean: increase in

. >> reporter: do you have a comment on andrew mccabe briefing mcconnell and paul ryan and devin nunes telling them about the investigation? >> i think andrew mccabe has made a fool out of himself over the last couple of days and he looks like a poor man's j. edgar hoover. i think he's a disaster and what he was trying to do was terrible and he was caught. i was proud to say we caught him so we'll see what happens but he is a disgraced man. he was terminated not by me. the ig report was a disaster from his standpoint. anybody reading the ig report would say how could a man like this be involved with the fbi? this man is a complete disaster. thank you all very much, thank yo you. >> thank you. thank you. >> so the president making news in a couple headlines. one, you know we've been reporting about this mueller probe coming to an end and the president was asked about bill barr, his new ag called him a tremendous man. mccabe, the former acting fbi director, talked to a lot of media outlets and anderson sa g saying -- andrew mccabe saying he believed that the president might have been a r

joining is now with the huge details on this is congressman devin nunes himself.sman, this is a big deal. also fisa abuse on a lot of other issues, what specifically are you looking at? >> a lot of people out there think that just because we are in the minority that somehow we are not going to continue this investigation. we are going to work with the judiciary committee and the oversight committee, sean, to ensure this investigation into fisa abuse and other matters continues. the good thing is we got through about 15 interviews last year, the task force data, you covered it sensibly on your show. we are going to continue to call people in for interviews, just last week, the new chairman of the committee and he is going to reopen the russia investigation. we offered about a dozen subpoenas of people we wanted to subpoena. we don't expect for them to subpoena the people that we want, but every attempt that we can, at every opportunity that we get, we will make attempts to subpoena these people to come in and speak. we will also ask for people to voluntarily come i

sensitive things and number of them objected and that would include allies with the president including devin nunes trey gowdy, former republican, and knows the former speaker paul ryan saying it's not fair. >> the way he's doing this this way is devin and paul, they're not supposed to discuss it and paul and devin cannot refute him. >> is that right? you're not supposed to discuss the things you discuss at meetings, but would it be out of bounds if andrew mccabe is not telling the truth. he said they briefed them and there were no objections. can't they issue a statement saying i can't describe the meetings, but i was not in one that andrew mccabe described? >> they would feel if the confidentiality was breached to the point that they could at least -- you can do a vague denial saying there are statements out there that are inconsistent with what i said. that has not happened and the sound of crickets from some of those quarters i think is significant. it might not mean anything. it could be that, like gowdy says, that they would love to quibble with this, but their hands are just tied, but it's n

for example, devin nunes has been lambasting this investigation for a year, right? calling it a witch hunt and discrediting it. what would it look like to his base if it came out that he had known for all this time that there was an fbi counterintelligence investigation into donald trump and he didn't say anything about it? so you're right. we have to evaluate the motives and the accounts. i'm waiting to see what our reporting tells us about what these members tell us and what our sources tell us not on the record on these committees, ali. >> ken, thank you very much for your reporting as always. ken dilanian, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter. and a quick programming note. tonight former fbi acting director andrew mccabe will join lawrence o'donnell live on "the last word." 10:00 p.m. eastern. right here on msnbc. >>> coming up, we'll take you to north carolina, where tainted ballots and a still undecided 2018 house race are at the center of an investigation into possible election fraud in the state's 9th congressional district. but first, states

but devin nunes has not said that. carefully not said that.been available for days now, and there is not one sentence about anyone in that book that has been challenged by anyone in that book. in interviews andrew mccabe has revealed that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein more than once seriously discussed the possibility of wearing a wire into the oval office to record his discussions with the president because he believed that those discussions could include evidence that could be used against the president. the justice department issued a statement about that which did not deny that rod rosenstein seriously discussed wearing a wire into the oval office. the statement says the deputy attorney general never authorized any recording that mr. mccabe references. exactly. that's exactly what andrew mccabe said. there's no conflict there. andrew mccabe never said that rod rosenstein authorized the wearing of the wire. he says that rod rosenstein just talked about it and talked about it more than once. so there you have rod rosenstein in effec

one of the leaders' brief was devin nunes, someone who was exposed for secretly doing the bidding ofthat, did you have confidence that the information you told them in that room did not immediately get relaid back to the president? >> it was my expectation that it would likely be relaid back to the president, partially because of the presence of devin nunes. his interactions with the white house and impropriety of the information he exchanged with the white house was well known. so as we began that briefing as we came into the room, it was a situation i lay out in the book, i was concerned about being able to keep that information that we were discussing confidential and close hold. and it is my belief that that information got back to the president. >> you believe from nunes? >> well, i don't know exactly how it got there. that's certainly one possibility. it's my strong belief that the information got to the president. >> does it make sense to you, i mean, in kind of looking at this now with perspective, just how many people around the president have lied about their contacts with

>> because devin nunes knows that would be a way to kill the hearing. acting in good faith. let's be clear. michael cohen is someone who's afraid. he's been intimidated by the president. he's going to have to come in front of a committee where the republicans are going to score points. most of the democrats are just going to say to him, look, this is the chance to redeem yourself. we know you made mistakes in the past. come clean. just tell the truth. level with the american people. say what happened. and we should understand the enormous pressure he's under. he's got the president of the united states calling his father-in-law criminal, threatening his family. >> so you feel sympathetic for michael cohen? >> i feel that he shouldn't be intimidated. i think what we need to do is let him tell the truth. i think he has things he needs to share with us. the new york prosecutors, for example, said he wasn't fully cooperative and didn't disclose all that happened in terms of criminal activity. my hope is he may not have disclosed it with the prosecutor, he s

we've seen devin nunes and all of these people, you know, engaged in protection of the president for the last two years and all sorts of antics. i mean, they're acting kind of like a dog with just what's in front of them and worrying only about that for the last two years. and now everything has changed. so there could be potential crimes congress uncovers, but a lot of potential lying and a lot of very damaging stuff to our national security. >> i mean, it is -- it does bear repeating. i mean, it's possible that mueller has no more than what we have already seen. >> well, he may not have anymore criminal cases. the question of what kind of report he will file, how detailed it will be, what it will talk about, in addition to the cases he will file, is -- we don't -- we don't know. and i think it is important to say that he has not excused anyone in the trump campaign with actually colluding with the russian interests, russian government, russian people. that may not have happened. it -- he may not have proof of it. he may not even discuss it in the report. but that is obviously a cen

you know, adam schiff said a -- set a standard that said devin nunes had to recuse himself. it looks as though adam schiff has met that same standard. yesterday during that hearing, there's always been the saying that politics stops at the water's edge when the president is gone. i know we have differences of opinion. but we come from one country. when president trump is meeting with north korea, trying to get a denuclearization agreement, the idea that we could not postpone, that we could not show the rest of the world that america stands together to denuclearize north korea, i think that was another misstep by this majority. let's go to questions. reporter: the president said that he believes kim jong un didn't know about the reasons do you naudible] -- agree? mr. mccarthy: you know, just two years ago at the state of the union, we watched someone's parents be a guest of this president. i'm also very proud of the fact when i was majority leader we passed the sanctions against rth korea and named it after that person. the president has just left north korea, i mean, just le

but it was that movement by anti-action by devin nunes, then chairman newness, they also give us thes and give us the fact that the clintons were in fact paying fusion gps to put this together. that is serious stuff. that's my main concern right now with chairman adam schiff. lou: and the dossier of course everything that transpired. and adam schiff playing a major role. you think that he should recuse himself? >> yeah, that's a decision by the speaker of the house and the intelligence committee. but understand this coming of the clintons pay the law firm that hired glenn simpson he went and hired christopher steele that then put this dossier together. the idea that the chairman of the intelligence committee is meeting with the very guy hired a foreigner to put the dossier together which is as you said, the basis for going to get and find a warrant to spy on the trump campaign, that is serious. i think is a pretty important question for the speaker of the house to raise with chairmanship. lou: absolute. congressman, always good to talk with you. appreciate it. >> you bet. lou: one of

the way it started office apparent thanks to devin nunes who kept on leaking information or moving around the president. they were investigating seven people. this is the fisa application that we heard about. if the president is being ben traited by a attorney intelligent operation. the investigation is just look at okay, is this the man turning camp that's going to become the president. >> the president candidate realized that he got people that are in contact with russians overseas that have these connections does he know that. snoorp so plr team out there that are criticizing mccabe's ability and after what happens at the doj and having an extra grind and the president went after his wife and they say he's writing a book. he just came out with "whistle blower" claims why he was still there. this is in service of a book deal. do you think that's taken all together that is would diminish of what he says of gang of eight. >> no. the gang of ag means eight people are there. rod rosenstein are also there. it will come out of what actually happens in there. when we look at our democratic che

we do know devin nuÑes was in that meeting, and he's been pushing in the right direction, doing a greatob over the last two years. my guess is it was spun in a way -- who knows how it was presented to them. but the other key point is, lou, these four people -- baker, mccabe, strzok and page -- none of them are elected. none of them have ever had their name on a ballot and been elected by the american people and, frankly, none of those four are confirmed by the senate, and yet they're plotting this, planning this, trying to remove the guy we made president of the united states? that is scary. and i think the takeaway here is we need rod rosenstein and andy mccabe in front of the oversight committee under oath answering questions in front of god and everybody so the american people can evaluate who's telling the truth, who's lying. who was in this meeting? when rod rosenstein has said he was thinking about wearing a wire to record the commander in chief, thinking about invoking and using the 25th amendment to remove the president from office, who was he communicating this to? we need to k

>> laura: scandal >>> if he holds himself to the same level that he held devin nunes for, he should recuse. he needs to move off this case. >> laura: we're going to talk to you later about what happened over in the senate with the infant protection act. thank you for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. get your black tie on, grab your champagne, our own raymond arroyo is back from l.a., he says the oscars don't mean what they once did. the back lash over the best picture winner could have wide implications. you're not going to believe this. stay there. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. we're the tenney's and we're usaa members for life. call usaa to start saving on insurance today. and we're usaa members for life. mental health...hiv. patients with serious diseases are being targeted for cuts to their medicare drug coverage. new government restrictions would allow insurance companies to come between doctor and pa

and devin nunes changed all of that. so they never had access to subpoenas. they are going to be major players. that's why adam schiff is being attacked by the president. >> indeed it is, andrea. he also sees schiff, of course, on television, which as we know is a major way this president kind of gets a sense of what's going on here in washington. and you're absolutely right, that nunes really did fundamentally change the character of a committee that had historically been known for working together. as you know, even the original creation of these committees was not as a partisan enterprise. it was as the interests of the congress and the people of the united states being able to exercise that oversight. and we do know that adam schiff is going to expand to a certain extent the scope of what that committee is even looking at. you know, and so that clearly has gotten under the president's skin. we know that he doesn't -- if he's not bothered by what you're doing, he's not going to bother to attack you. and clearly schiff is just the latest target here, andrea

and something that jumps out at me, as he talks about briefing the gang of eight with devin nunes in the room and talks about the fact that there was perhaps evidence collection from cia even if they didn't get some sort of a bright line warning that the investigation was opened, that president trump knew he was a subject of this investigation as soon as bob mueller was in place. that's important because it makes it a lot easier for prosecutors to show that when he took steps after that, whether it was dangling pardons or threatening to fire bob mueller, that he did it with knowledge that he was a subject. and that's a very close step to proving that he intended to obstruct the investigation. >> is that why he keeps repeating something that happened earlier with jim comey, that comey told him three times he was not a target or a subject? >> i think that that's a very good conclusion. you know, trump was hyperfocused on that. he kept trying to get people to say that. it's hard for me to think that he was smart enough to understand that that would impact how prosecutors would prove int

adam schiff did his memo one year ago and, remember, it was to try to undermine what devin nuÑes in his he says this, he says the republicans mischaracterized the influence of bruce ohr on the whole process and talk about a misleading timeline relative to mr. ohr. when we deposed bruce ohr, he shared three key facts that i think disprove mr. schiff's memo. he said, first of all, fusion was connected closesly with the clinton campaign. he said my wife works for fusion gps and the person fusion hired, christopher steele, has a deep bias against the president. so much so that christopher steele told bruce ohr himself -- because bruce ohr met with him several times -- that christopher steele was desperate to stop trump. so those three key facts -- fusion's connected with the clinton campaign, his wife, nellie ohr, works for fusion, and chris steele has a deep whereas against the president -- bruce ohr communicated that with the fbi and the department of justice, specifically andrew wiseman who's on mueller's team. and the most important fact is he communicated those three pieces of informat

devin nunes established a whole new frontier in terms of demanding actual investigative material around the clinton investigation in a way that made the department of justice and the fbi very, very nervous. it's going to be pretty hard for republicans to all of a sudden say oh, you've got no right to go to the department of justice to ask for investigative materials, particularly given the overwhelming public interest in finally getting some closure on what actually happened here. >> andrew mccabe, as he details in his new book, worked with robert mueller, knows robert mueller very well in robert mueller's previous job as director of the fbi. and this is what andrew mccabe said today, what he told ari melber about what he expects in the mueller report. >> i expect that director mueller's team will produce an all-encompassing report that details exactly what they found and exactly what they think about it. i think it's unbelievably important that that information is shared with congress. and i'd also like to see it shared to the greatest extent possible with the american people. >> and c

devin nunes has been railing against this investigation for months, but he never mentioned this. i find that interesting. and we're doing some research to find out if republicans will corroborate this. but what natasha said about the obstruction investigation and the collusion investigation, what i find interesting is even if collusion doesn't pan out and mueller doesn't establish that donald trump was in the pocket of vladimir putin or had a corrupt pact with the russians, it remains to be seen what he's going to present to congress and the public on obstruction. we know the president can't be indicted, but you can see a thorough and fulsome report and mueller saying this adds up to a corrupt intent to impede the investigation. >> and phil, we're hearing from the white house, specifically from the president a lot of critical tweets directed at andrew mccabe, calling basically his role legal and treasonous. he repeated treason from a quote sean hannity had on his broadcast last night. what's the pushback from the white house and the president's allies? >> there's a clear effort t

are hiring people who can do follow the money which the committee has never done before. >> and devin nunes, to reiterate, no longer there to run interference for the president. >> that's right. and so when the witnesses before would say, i don't feel like answering that, adam schiff can now say the witness is compelled to answer. what you'll have is the staff putting together huge amounts of documents against which they can cross-reference instantly the witnesses' testimony, hold them to account and say, you said this previously. is that still true? you're saying something different now. these are going to be very different hearings, even behind closed doors than what you saw over the past two years. >> let's talk about the tax returns as well, richard. that's something a lot of democrats have desperately wanted to see for a very long time from going back to the campaign, even before the president was elected. under the law, the chairman of the ways and means committee does have the authority to ask for a confidential review of the tax returns of any individual. but clearly the chairman an

they lied about something devin nunes said. they said he said he was trying to buttress claims of wiretapping. they said trump's claims of wiretapping had no basis in fact. it was almost written in a panic, very sloppy. the language -- it's bad to say this about the media that they are the enemy of the people. but we need the media to stand up and do a good job. they attack not just the president, but average american citizens. howie: in a follow-up tweet the president said the writers don't even call for verification on stories that have no basis in fact. the paper said they repeatedly called the white house for verification and got no comment. sara: they reached out plenty of times and didn't hear back until a few days ago. it's like the president wants everyone to call him on his personal cell phone. if they are going through proper communication channels, that's their job. i haven't seen the white house debunk it. why isn't the president taking to twitter and addressing that. he's not explaining what exactly is wrong. howie

remember when devin nunes started asking questions about fisa and some of the people being targeted?ames comey, rod rosenstein said the process is so aggressive and the oversight is so i mazing there is no chance for abuse. it turns out that system was pretty broken. we found out through reporting there were 75 instances in the early 2000s where the fbi submitted a fisa warrant and it was erroneous, it had omitted information of innocence. all the things we are talking about in the 2016 fisa warrant in the case of carter page. the fisa court was so mad they hauled bob mueller in and said how are you going to fiction this? he put some procedures in place. but they were blown past to target trump and his campaign. judge jeanine: is there any way for us to know whether the fisa court is claiming that any wrongdoing was done as it related to the 2016 situation, the way they hauled in mueller for the mistakes he made? >> occasionally the court will release something publicly. but they have been remarkably silent the last two years. a lot of the members in congress are wondering where's th

lou: schiff famously is the one who asked devin nunes,ed the chair of the intel committee when the housemself for a year. lou: karma is a wonderful thing on occasion. andrew mccabe on his book tour admitting to leading a coup effort against the president of the united states. these interviews seem to be a confession of treason against the country, this president. >> it's shocking because he delivered this in a manner in which it was so familiar and so widespread that he didn't realize what he was confessing to orbit was so that that -- ot was so natural he didn't think twice about confessing to this. lou: law enforcement agency, the fbi, the department of justice. it turns out to be as a result of all that has gone on from these investigations, we length investigators were the most of corrupt amongst all of the actors in this drama. it's stunning stuff. >> it is. the question has to become how deep does this go? if this was a natural consideration of many important people to literally usurp a duly elected president. they are using a method that would have been absurd. it's not something

and if he applies the same standard to himself that he applied to devin nunes, he should step aside.dy has seen the photos, there's crickets from republicans and democrats. that's the problem in washington. people aren't willing to stand up anymore and demand accountability. that has to happen. the next opportunity is in a week. >> sean: i hope the president picked the right guy. i don't know bill barr. but if we have an fbi spy in the uranium one deal and we know they're involved in crimes and we do nothing and then hillary gets all this money in the clinton foundation. hillary bought and paid for dossier lies. when, greg, when is there accountability? >> well, as i say, bill barr cannot only launch an investigation into comey's corruption at the fbi and all of his accolades, but he can take a serious examination, a criminal investigation into the conduct of hillary clinton and her foundation, not to mention re-examining comey's decision to absolve her under espionage charges in the email scandal. >> sean: thank you both. great work. now this is beginning to blow wide open. i told y

committee and remember the media loves the senate investigation, they didn't care too much about devin nunese house but they love richard burr, no evidence of conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia and yet adam schiff, that 3 eyed, adam schiff who can see things nobody else can see says he has evidence more than circumstantial. not quite directly, by the way those who didn't go to law, there's no such thing. there's no such thing as evidence that is not circumstantial or direct, but adam has seen it and never pressed on it. jillian: special counsel convicted 6 suspects, no link president with russian meddling. rob: new york firefighters to fight for surviving victims of 9/11, compensation fund is running out of money. firefighters are working with congress to get a new bill passed providing more help for victims battling the 9/11-related illnesses and, of course, families of those who died on 9/11. secretary of state mike pompeo making it clear that the alabama woman who left the united states to join isis cannot return. >> noncitizen terrorist, she has no legal basis for claim of

here to respond, former house intel chair congressman devin nunes. >> this was clearly an investigationhout a crime. we looked for two years and didn't find anything at all. what was amazing is we haven't seen the press people around that much because there has been a whole cottage industry of press people in the capital now. for the first time we show up to our business meeting to organize and there must've been 15 cameras down there and 30 press people. we found out because he had announced that the business meeting that he was reopening the rush investigation. i don't know what these people are going to do, the scottish people of press people they are going to have to learn code or something, they aren't going to have a job after this. >> laura: they are going to bring whitaker up to testify. the acting attorney general. there was some fight in the administration, what can you tell us? >> i don't know why you would want him, he's been the acting ag for a month. >> and any conversations he had with the president on anything mueller related. >> why not bring rod rosenstein who started