so obviously, the devisidaro back here. if you go to the corner there is actually a property at the foundation, all the way up along on the retaining wall. >> if you see where my finger is. (speaking off the mic). off the brick wall. that portion over there is part of the portion of the building is on the wall itself. >> that's where that alley way is where the wall is boeing, right? >> right. >> is the footing of that retaining way, in the devisidaro street property based on what you saw, or is it in the adjacent properties? the footing? >> okay the footing itself my understanding, when we asked for the survey in the office we had a meeting with them concerning the posting violations, the footings were on the property line of the walls, the footing itself was not on the property in dispute here. >> in devisidaro. >> right. >> so the footings, are clearly in the other property not the devisidaro property correct. >> that is correct. there is 4 or 5 survey shg in this house, they will comply with the martin run survey there.

the property on -- where is devisidaro? this one here, is the devisidaro property. this one is the washington property. our property sits here. this is the corner property they built a large garage. this shows in 1895, the washington property sits there. this shows a property in devisidaro. this shows on 1901, there is no building on the corner building the condition that we have been built there since the earthquake is conjecture and pure speculation. these walls are on our property, of course, they're encroaching on our property, but they're failing in the air, as vegetation and water is coming through the wall they're failing, and i will say that the washington street property the building on the wall i let their painters in four years ago to paint the top of their wall so they're saying the top of the wall is theres to maintain and paint but what they sit on is not there?s it doesn't make any sense. >> thank you for your time. >> may i see the exist? >> of course. can i approach? >> yeah. >> any questionses from the commissioners? >> i have a question for chief

onto 2308, 2312 devisidaro. >> thank you. so commissioners, on the basis of that if dbi, is relying on the survey for issuance of location order, we ask that that move to the third property owner, for the repair requirements, however, the abatements should be proceed the all, until the ownership dispute is resolved the location, would be one factor, that a jurier may consider as a factor. before we belief that these walls were likely constructed more than 100 years ago, although there is very little historical information and documentation, we summarize the site conditions, in our letter which say the wall may be constructed br the third property owner of devisidaro. i will ask bret ferrari, to speak to his site conditions and content and construction, and a copy of his report is provided in the packet as exhibit h. >> thank you. bret fer rar ree, structural engineering, i have been practicing here for 30 years i have had experience with conditions, xktly like this in san francisco, neighbor disputes with retaining walls, tha