dewayne matthews is vice president of policy at the foundation for education.nts all of the country. how do you get innovation and move it forward? >> our focus at the foundation is we believe that all of this conversation is that a much larger proportion of americans need to not just to go to college but complete college successfully. we stated this in terms of a goal. our goal is very consistent with that of the president's, 60% of americans should have a high quality post secondary degree by 2025. we are at about 39% rate. the rate is more or less constant for all age groups. as has been stated, other countries are doing a much better job. there are well above 50%, particularly for young aduuts. in the u.s., we are stuck. we think 40% attainment rate is about right. it is some sort of natural limit. that is simply not good enough. it is not good enough in the world we live in today and we need to change that. we need to get a larger proporrion of people to go to college to be successful in college, to get the degree credential. it is interesting how this con