there were terms in the mou that did not give deference to our dgo. we need to close a look, we want to do. we had a long joint hearing about this and we have not yet taken action as a commissioner. i appreciate the chief had issued a bureau order but we need to decide what we're going to do, are we going to turn the order into a dgo, or are we going to just allow the board of supervisors to do what they can also do, which is issue policy and what makes the morse -- most sense for this commission? it is an outstanding question. >> thank you. >> i do agree with you. we should take the bureau order that the chief put together with some input from the aclu and put that in the form of a dgo. where does the board of supervisors come into play? to the half commission authorities with reference to policy procedure for the police department? we have been told, we will go to the board of supervisors with this and that is something that needs to be worked out. that is our responsibility. i think that we probably should and move toward as you suggested, putting

involved, and there will be a subcommittee or one or two people who will get involved in writing the dgo. it is up to us how involved we went to get, but it does, at the end of the day, and up in our laps. my personal opinion is the more involved we are in the process, the more informed we are, so the really important dgo's, we are more involved in the process. vice president marshall: should we leave it on this tier? >> i think so. vice president marshall: the next, i do not know what it was supposed to result in. where are we with this one? commissioner: as i remember, commissioner hammer had partially brought this up. this was informing them of their rights and the procedures involved, and -- vice president marshall: i remember. we had a pretty heavy presentation on it. commissioner: because we do not have commissioner jim hammer here, to see if there is any backlog, we need to stay on top of it to make sure that it continues on into the future. it could possibly be on the third year, asking for an update quarterly, for example -- it can be on the third tier. vice president marshall:

it circumvents dgo 8.10. there is a sense of -- by the community. even if there was no resolution we feel the city has been presented with concerns of civil rights abuses and profiling of the community. you should work with the community to find a solution, even if there is not a portland model to copy directly. i wanted to convey that. october 5, there will be a community mobilization here to bring up this issue and the community voices around it. thank you. president mazzucco: thank you. hearing none, this is closed. >> item 3. discussion rabat -- regarding proposed revision of department general order 3.11 regarding community policing. >> this has been worked on in committee. it has been visited throughout san francisco with significant input by supervisor campos's office. i am sure that anyone who is familiar with his community policing ordinance can see there is a lot of language from that order in here. i cannot tell you although ms. porter can, there have been more iterations of this order as we have met with members of the community, specifi

the presentation should include not only where we were with implementing parts of the dgo, how often these services are used but also where we are with meeting their requirements in the equal access ordinance which is a requirement in all report -- departments. i am wondering what day would be good. >> i am available all month. commissioner chan: october 5? >> do we agree, october 5? >> commissioner chan: language access. also wanted to ask for -- to do a deeper presentation about the status of any pending general orders and policy proposals. we received that packet but we need time to ask questions and for us to highlight what our priorities are in terms of d go's. twe need to give the department time to put that together? i wondered if we want to schedule that for october or september. >> we do not have much scheduled for october. we have a few items for september. it might be a good thing to do the week after the lep presentation or a week after. maybe the 12th? commissioner chan: thank you. president mazzucco: commissioner dejesus. commissioner dejesus: i assume we're going to lo

the investigation tors dgo loo , look,>> hold on. >> he was -- >> i don't know about you but when i goswimming i get wet when i swim. that's a problem. furthermore he also is not proof for murder. >> he wanted to go do this they had just had under some type of influence. that is not the appropriate time to be. >> travel policy people do all of the time. >> if they can prove he has done his time. >> do you collect on that? >> if you are a jerk. >> what does robin gardener's f fiancee the woman's disawe're perhaps. you have jose bay arizona her lawyer. everybody what is to right you to defense. i am sure he could have picked any one of the millions of lawyers, thousands of lawyers in the united states. >> more importantly what do you think about the thinness, just the panel of lawyers and no one disagrees about this of the state case the prosecution case against jerry giordano. >> i am sure the investigators and authorities no more than what they have with us. i still believe 100 percent she is out there. it is kind of hard for me to make a de lik-- decision. >> i am not the lawyer i go

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