dhs to come to this hearing. and they refused. that is my request. >> it is interesting because a parent is el jebl eligible to request. if the parent is at least 18 years old but can you identified a child as 21 or younger but a parent has to be at least 18. it seems to be hypocrisy there. if we need to change that in the law, we'll change that. but there is hypocrisy of the two ages. and in the united states, you're a child until you're 18 years old. do you agree with that? >> the definition after minor is in the law. but obviously, it is the petitioning parent is 18, the child will be significantly younger than that. >> my wife says i'm still a child. >> there is true. >> so you are allowing children and from what i'm hearing, y'all have found a way to get these children into this country without them having to take thattard uus journey across mexico and on the trainings and everything we have seen. under what circumstances would you allow a parent to come in from the second country to be added to the child's

we also used dhs data to model the nonremovals that don't appear in the data set that are in the dhs data set because they were also removed. that's basically cpv removals to mexico and canada, nonjudicial removals to mexico and canada. and then throughout the report and my presentation the data measure removal events, not unique individuals so, what that means is some people are deported more than wasn't and they appear more than one time in the data set so it's a certain bias in the data toward these sort of repeat customers. all together, 3.7 million people have been removed between 2003 and 2013, so that's the universe that we're looking at over that 11-year period. just sort of a basic profile of who's been deported during that period, fornally removed during that period, 91% of removals have been men versus about half of all unauthorized immigrants who were men. 91% of removals have been to mexico and the three northern triangle countries -- el salvador, guatemala, and honduras -- versus about three-quarters of unauthorized immigrants to those countries. so the system leans in

we have the dhs loaned executive program as an example there. there's also an example in virginia, the department of emergency management has a private sector liaison program. there's research. this is an interesting area, because you will see dls today looks very differently at the cooperative research and development agreements that they utilize. you will see dhs more and more focusing on specific areas that a private sector entity is interested in. in the financial services sector, some focus very specifically on teralines and information sharing and how can the financial services sector help dhs understand and tailer raw intel into a operational way that the financial sector can immediately use it? incutel is an example. i'm sure you are familiar with that helps the cia and other agencies have the cutting edge tools. the focus there is using the research capability of the private sector to help the public sector stay on top and on the cutting edge of what they need. we also find very specific legal carve outs in public private partnerships s

overall, 95% of all removals since 2003 have fallen within dhs' current formal enforcement priorities, and this includes 99% of removals in fy-2013. so one way to interpret those findings is that the obama administration has been successful at implementing its priorities, and i think that that's an accurate interpretation. but we can also look at those data and it suggests that the morton memos, the current enforcement priorities, define priorities pretty broadly in a way that lots of unauthorized immigrants fall into the priority categories. wand that in mind, one strategy for executive action that the administration could pursue would be to change dhs' enforcement priorities to make them more narrowly defined so that fewer immigrants fall within the priorities. for example, current priorities include any one ever convicted of any crime. so the administration could instead define its public safety priority or its criminal alien priority to prioritize people who have been convicted of violent crimes or people who have been convicted of felonies or recently been convicted of crimes or

is that dhs wide? >> that's dhs wide, sir. >> okay, we have three inspector general reports here. march for epa of this year, that was ms. casper. mr. lewis was department of labor. dhs is january, earlier this year, that are part of what we're reviewing here today. the other two -- well in the epa report, ms. casper you testified -- we calculated about half of the sample purchases, over half there was something wrong, misuse, abuse or noncompliance. and mr. lewis in your testimony, you just testified -- you found about 35% of the purchases with the credit card were abusive or noncompliant. >> that was just with the prepaid debit cards. >> okay. would you estimate on credit cards? that was debit cards. >> well, the issues with the travel cards themselves were actually cases where they should have been using the cards and were not so we lost government air fare. we lost $400,000. >> so you lost money there. so what i'm trying to do is we have 50% abuse. even with a new law, epa use of credit cards, debit cards or credit cards, at least 35% in your review. you have $439 million, alm

we have the dhs loaned executive program as an example there. there's also an example in virginia, the department of emergency management has a private sector liaison program. there's research. this is an interesting area, because you will see dls today looks very differently at the cooperative research and development agreements that they utilize. you will see dhs more and more focusing on specific areas that a private sector entity is interested in. in the financial services sector, some focus very specifically on teralines and information sharing and how can the financial services sector help dhs understand and tailer raw intel into a operational way that the financial sector can immediately use it? incutel is an example. i'm sure you are familiar with that helps the cia and other agencies have the cutting edge tools. the focus there is using the research capability of the private sector to help the public sector stay on top and on the cutting edge of what they need. we also find very specific legal carve outs in public private partnerships s

the route i take is i usually tell dhs. in this case i'll tell dhs via a plays that they have ics certificate. the cyber emergency response team. i spends my findings to them it. since this is a medical device they have a channel with the fda. the fda will be notified then the fda will notify the vendor and they start working on a fix. >> the wheels of government turn so slowly, this is the kind of information that you want back to vendor very quickly. >> yes, exact. >> i. >> do you get the sense that it gets turned over rapidly. >> i think it does. the fixes do not get turned over very rapidly. so if we look at the historical, you know, context that we have for devices like this, it could take years for a software update to come out for a device like this. >> wow. >> so that's a big window. right? for any kind of devise, so hopefully things move faster in the future, but right now it is a slow process. >> well, unlikely allies are teaming up to protect you from potential internet bugs, up next we discuss the crucial market

i bet the fbi and dhs would tell you the same thing. remember, dhs is the leader here. in military jargon, they are the supportive commander and we are supporting them. we work through the department of homeland security. we partner with others in the federal government in addition to dhs. fbi, treasury, energy, we partner with others. u.s. cyber command, we are not the leader. the national security agency, we are not the leader. we partner with others. >> we have time for one last question. can you wait for the mic to get to you? >> politico pro cyber security. there have been reports about employees of the nsa working -- there have been some reports recently about employees of the nsa working part-time in the private sector, former employees going on to the private sector. how is that affecting morale within the nsa? is there concern about that relationship with the private sector? >> first, we have a formal set of processes that must be applied when individuals do something in addition to their nsa duties. we review that and when circumstances change, we will say, th

i think dhs has been a real leader in helping us get that information out.i think legislation is important and certainly something that we look forward to, something that helps with information should, helps protect privacy and gives both sides of that. but at the same time there's lots we can do even without legislation. we would encourage people to continue to push on the information sharing mechanisms that we do have today so that we can continue to make progress while but also try to work with congress to make progress. >> i would support o all of ami' thoughts on existing as well as consider right now is probably a very hard time for companies to share information with an government, especially in the global markets. there's also never been a more urgent time for us to share information to the adversary does the having spent most my great in the private sector, i understand private sector sees a lot in many cases much more, much differently than government. so the concept of putting those puzzle pieces together is incredibly important. and i think that

so, first with respect to dhs's enforcement prioritiless, one point i want to make generally is that the morton memos shouldn't have been particularly controversial because they didn't represent a major shift in how dhs already did immigration enforcement. npi published a report last week showing that 93% of removals under the bush administration were consistent with the obama enforcement priorities. so this was not a radical change. overall, 95% of all removals since 2003 have fallen within dhs' current formal enforcement priorities, and this includes 99% of removals in fy-2013. so one way to interpret those findings is that the obama administration has been successful at implementing its priorities, and i think that that's an accurate interpretation. but we can also look at those data and it suggests that the morton memos, the current enforcement priorities, define priorities pretty broadly in a way that lots of unauthorized immigrants fall into the priority categories. wand that in mind, one strategy for executive action that the administration could pursue would be to change dhs'

chairman, is are ly for dhs -- and they i wonder, how t many new dhs people will be required to implement this program? >> do mean in country refugee processing programs? >> right. >> i do not know that we have a specific number yet of the individuals, although, in be carried is will on by others. frankly, as we implement all these measures, i do not think there's any doubt that we will need some additional people in our embassies in all three countries. i mean, my understanding is that dhs has refugee interview locations and six latin american countries, bbut not in the northern triangle countries. >> that is correct. >> are they planning to shift personnel or add? >> they do circuit rides in many parts of the world. some refugee -- that is the model we will be using in central america. there will be no additional burdens on the embassies. >> okay, that is a good thing. mr. chairman, i had an expense an afghan interpreter -- served with the third infantry to get ook two years army vouches the for -- a number of others -- to get this gentleman into this country. fought with our military,

dhs does that. it's their facility. what we can do is go to dhs and say look, we'd really like to change these tvs out. and so i think what we're doing is on a very daily basis, having a lot of conversations with our counterparts at dhs about how to respond to some of the things that we can respond to. i think a lot of the criticism that we've heard overall from some of the advocates is that there is, you know, a generalized belief that families shouldn't be detained. right? and so, to the extent that that's -- that that is what we're hearing, you know, i with tell you that that is -- you know, that's a decision that's made sort of out of my hands, and certainly out of my logistical hands. and so one of the things we also heard was, look, you've got judges in one time zone. you've got artesia in another time zone. that's causing just confusion. so we changed from the judges in arlington hearing the cases to the judges in denver hearing the cases because now they're all in the same time zone. and so we are trying -- we'r

persons and dhs as a policy of doing so administratively that statutory it is a hurdle.it is something i would be willing to have a conversation to further that spirit just to keep us even across the board, becky, this one is for you. i think implicit i in the questn is a very interesting comment. do you anticipate the wide swaths of the data will no longer be collected now that you're asking questions about whether they are really needed and the civil liberties downsides? so i would say the premise is that it's your job to shut it down. which i think is a widely shared premise, and i think the basic question is do you think they're going to be effective? >> i think that also starts with the premise that the collection were doing currently is that starting with the premise that we are collecting too much information today. i think what i would say is that when we are working on this sort of the premise. at nsa is filled with a lot of people who do math for a living, we are in the process of third grade math which folks need to show the work. they need to show why they're

remember dhs is the leader. in military jargon they are the commander and we are supporting them under your hat, cyber command or nsa. we partner with others in the federal government in addition to the vhs come fbi depending on the treasury, segment, that work in the energy segment, we partner with others. u.s. cyber command. we are not the lead in the agency. we partner with others. >> we have time for one last question. can you wait for the microphone to get to you? there have been some reports recently about the nsa working part-time. >> there've been reports recently about employees in the nsa working part-time and some former employees going on to the private sector. how is that affecting the morale in the nsa and is there any concern about that particular relationship and classified information sort of jumping from within the borders of the nsa. >> we have processes that must be applied when individuals are going to do something in addition. we do that consistently over time and window circumstances chang

the last thing that i want to dhs -- theybly for are not here but -- i wonder how many new dhs personnel will be required at u.s. embassies in the northern triangle countries to intimate this program? do you know? >> the in country refugee processing program? i don't know that we have a specific number yet of individuals although i think in general, this will be carried out by others in terms of end three countries. -- in the three countries. implement these efforts, i don't think there's any doubt that we may need some additional people in our embassies in all three countries. let me ask catherine. dhsy understanding is that has refugee interview locations in six latin american countries but not in the northern triode countries. >> that's correct. >> are they planning to ship personnel or at? >> they do circuit rides in many parts of the world. there are some refugee adjudicators at the app is is that most of the world are people who come in for a circuit right of six weeks and conduct a number of interviews of that's the model we will use to start in central america. >> there will be n

we work closely with dhs, u.s. cert and one of the issues that they are really trying to wrestle down to the ground is how do you separate a week from the chaff then how can we get specific actionable information into the hands of the folks that really need to know this. it has been a challenge to really do that effectively. i think we started out at a place where he was into overload and what happens is you start losing folks. all this data, all this information and it is hard to get to someone's interest when you are fit by fire hose. we're making progress in that area. we are not there yet. we look at how the voting middle to next year, middle of 2015 where we have a solid place where we can start to broadly stand out across the batterer chemical sector. >> you reach come from sectors which are really highly regulated. that as another layer of complexity earlier in our discussions this afternoon, admiral rogers had actually mentioned this. now you've got federal regulations to deal with the many dates deal with

i started with that because that's how we were doing things at dhs. it turns out nsa is a technology company. it has a huge research portion. also has a huge technology division. it's two parts. i have a technical director on staff who is here. he and i have been working through sort of how do we think about the -- how do we look at both what's out in the world. so we're working with several different grews within nsa to do an initial review of what is out there right now. and they are conducting that right now so we could get a sense of both from a policy and technical perspective what's going on as opposed to things we may know from knowing different people whether it's activities going on at mit or okay ncarneg mellon. so they are doing that. we are working on that. then where he working with research folks and trying to leave ranch those things. i think that's -- each agency has its own culture and its own aspects. so a lot of what have i been doing is taking the learning and sort of shifting it to make sure that building the program within nsa wo

struggle with how to best work within the cbp and other dhs components and acquisition structure. joining me today to help clarify these issues

starting under president bush in 2005 dhs began expedited deportations. a practice that continued under president obama. but still they continue to come in record numbers. president bush got both the house and the senate to pass immigration reform in 2007. but they couldn't come up with a joint bill. and the anger grew. 2007 an immigration protest turned deadly. hundreds of people were hurt including two dozen police officers and mayday immigration marches then spread across the country. in 2012 border agent brian terry was gunned down by cartels. the third border agent killed on duty in as many years. the terry murder would turn into a big scandal for the doj, but it also enflamed people who were worried about border security. among them arizona lawmakers who passed fb 1070, a controversial law that allowed police to check on the immigration status during a stop or an arrest of an individual. the administration challenged that law and the resulting showdown between arizona governor jan brewer and president obama got personal and very tense at times. the

remember, if they defunded dhs the border patrol stays in place. immigration enforce. stays in place. the only thing that wouldn't happen is processing new green carded and that's not something that has to be done immediately. it would be pretty focused and wouldn't be dramatic but it would powerfulfully convey that he does not have the authority to make law on his own help does not have the authority to say, i'm not going to enforce the law, but it doesn't shut down the whole government. >> i see where you're coming from. here's what i want to know. why would he even be entertaining it and now apparently days away from doing it? obviously as speaker boehner said it will poison the well and make things very difficult. but the eh seems gung ho to make this happen because he knows some much else goes. we would guarantee nothing gets done for two years. >> but the activists who pushed him into this box care nothing about his presidency -- >> they're the same activists who pushed democrats right off the senate majority. >> that's right. and they don't care that in some way

dhs has been problematic for us for oversight of other functions secret service. i appreciate you stepping up to take this position. i know it's a tough job and i wish you all the best. i yield back the remainder of my time. >> i thanks the gentleman for yielding back remainder of his time. we go to the gentleman from east texas, mr. gohmert. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, director, for being here. we've had differentn, hearings. secretary of homeland security has been here a number of times. you know, there was, there seemed to be in the past a feeling of inhave aniability of the white house. that the fences you know, somehow there was bound to be more security there then you see. so it rattles folks when somebody can jump over the fence and get there and, i'm, somebody else was say, oh i think there are two roses of fences. isn't there just one row of fence around the white house? >> sir, as a result of september 19th on pennsylvania avenue on the sidewalk, we've put bike rack in addition to the permanent fence. realizing people can get over the bike rac

dhs does that. it's their facility. what we can do is go to dhs and say look, we'd really like to change these tvs out. and so i think what we're doing is on a very daily basis, having a lot of conversations with our counterparts at dhs about how to respond to some of the things that we can respond to. i think a lot of the criticism that we've heard overall from some of the advocates is that there is, you know, a generalized belief that families shouldn't be detained. right? and so, to the extent that that's -- that that is what we're hearing, you know, i with tell you that that is -- you know, that's a decision that's made sort of out of my hands, and certainly out of my logistical hands. and so one of the things we also heard was, look, you've got judges in one time zone. you've got artesia in another time zone. that's causing just confusion. so we changed from the judges in arlington hearing the cases to the judges in denver hearing the cases because now they're all in the same time zone. and so we are trying -- we'r

anyone prosecuted, terminated or disciplined in dhs? >> sir, i'm aware that some employees have been disciplined and terminated for credit card abuse. but at dhs, those records would not be managed centrally, so i would not have the ibability to get the scope of all the actions that might have been taken. >> well, if you could review that, let us know for the record, too, we're leaving that open. we're trying -- we passed a law in 2012 to try to be better stewards of public money. we can save money, the air force has cited in testimony that you can save money by using these for small transactions. and there's a lot of benefit. but there's also a lot of abuses. epa today. about half of the sampling abuse, the labor, 35% on the debit cards. dhs she hasn't come totally clean with us, but we'll get the information one way or another. we have our methods, miss richards, of extracting the information. just teasing. just teasing. we're relying on you to report to us. again, we would like to kind of get a better handle on on what is taking plac

one of the emphasis we place on that, dhs has that good program, we had to pause. pause and look at an e-mail. if there's something odd about it, from a source you're not familiar with, take a look. you can scan it and get a pretty good idea whether it's the type of communication you're used to receiving or whether there's a basis for concern. there's a lot to be covered. i wanted to bring to your attention, the efforts of our attention in partnership with government to address these types of concerns. i can say with pride, particularly in the transportation sector, there's been a real effort between tsa and the various representatives of the transportation modes to put a public-private partnership, a term often used very expansively, to put that in practical action. in some of the areas, they are areas when first proposed was, we just can't get there. and we've gotten there, result of a good partnership. happy to take questions on that as we proceed. but i'll turn it over to the next speaker. thank you. >> thanks, tom, fascinating. last night on the drive home fro

are you competing for more resources because you're in dhs? there are alled in that, and it seems like you have less competition. is that accurate? >> it would be hard for me to evaluate compared to the treasury. i know all the agencies have important missions. so we are all vying for those dollars. >> yes. >> and i know you said you were in a management position. but i have retired secret service agents in my district, and they've served in both capacities. pre-2003 and then after, and i think by and large, you know, i get negative feedback. but when you're talking with people, other agents who have lived through this, is it something you would say a substantial number have misgivings about? >> when we have failures, they're really our failures. >> and i understand that. you've been frank. but we have to look at how are we, you know, we're legislating this stuff. we're funding these different agencies. and if we haven't done that in a way that best meets the needs of the american people, we have to go back and evaluate. so i'm just curious. i

are you competing for more resources because you're in dhs? there are alled in that, and it seems like you have less competition. is that accurate? >> it would be hard for me to evaluate compared to the treasury. i know all the agencies have important missions. so we are all vying for those dollars. >> yes. >> and i know you said you were in a management position. but i have retired secret service agents in my district, and they've served in both capacities. pre-2003 and then after, and i think by and large, you know, i get negative feedback. but when you're talking with people, other agents who have lived through this, is it something you would say a substantial number have misgivings about? >> when we have failures, they're really our failures. >> and i understand that. you've been frank. but we have to look at how are we, you know, we're legislating this stuff. we're funding these different agencies. and if we haven't done that in a way that best meets the needs of the american people, we have to go back and evaluate. so i'm just curious. i

johnson wrote up the orders on the work computer at dhs and remember it was dhs that dealt with the housingand taking care of all those unaccompanied minors who snuck in from central america. johnson met this summer with president obama at the white house five times according to a "new york times" report. johnson also told the president at some point that he couldn't stop deportations for 7 million illegal immigrants the same way that the comprehensive senate bill would have, but he could protect 5 million. "the new york times" report details a few moments that changed the president's calculus from wanting to wait around for congress to pass legislation to just going around the entire legislative branch. one moment was a tense exchange with activists in the roosevelt room back in march. they were upset with the rapid rate of deportations. another moment came during an event honoring pga golfers at the white house shortly after eric cantor, then house majority leader lost his electioned by -- re-election bid. that's when speaker boehner said there was no chance that the house would ever pass

and i think from my -- i wasn't part of dhs in 2012. but my observation is that while there may have been some bumps in the road in the startup of it, like there are in any government program, the implementation of it has gone relatively well. it's obviously made a lot of people happy and provided for a better life for a lot of people. so that's my take on it. >> i'll just say that we've seen a report that's about to come out any day from an academic in california who has looked at some of the -- when people applied, reapplied, they had to put down some data on their earnings and their income. and the data -- he's now going to be releasing an initial analysis showing a significant increase in the earnings of the dacca recipients in the first two years, which is all what we hoped. i just want to say, by the way, you guys have done a great job. the questions are terrific. thank you. we've got some fun ones comiing up here, mr. secretary. adult and child retention, we have a new facility. we've gotten a series of questions about the propri

so we have started to see traction in this includes these models coming out of dhs and providing a technical foundation for information sharing. and we have to continue to do more. that is where the administration is very much focused on. earlier this year the department of justice and the federal trade commission issued guidance indicating that antitrust should not be a barrier to cybersecurity information sharing between companies. this is a big step that helps narrow the scope of work. but there's still more that we need to do and we are continuing to look at what the options are within the administration to support information sharing and we also need to support the passage of legislation in congress. and i hope you will have a chance to hear that from senator feinstein later today that we are working closely to get that legislation over the finish line. another area that we are working on to address some of these psychology and business aspects of it is in the consumer financial protection space. with many falling victim over the last year and millions suffering from credit card and fra

so we already have some great questions we'll start with a couple from may but first into what 2011 dhs john morton had the martin memo that set new priorities for removal in the u.s.. has that been successful and veryiliar with the more timid memo. there is a lot about priorities for removal. and in my view that guidance could be clear. entry made fully committed to privatizing border security to give clear guidance to the field or to the workers out there for the enforcement priorities. being a senior lawyer for the department of defense you can issue a policy statements from washington. to learn what is expected of them. so to make sure whatever we do is properly explained to the work force that people in the field not always agree but if they understand them and feel they have been reflected in some way that presents a good equation for success with the implementation. working with department of defense which is a very large organization of 3 million people, in my experience if you properly educate and train the workforce on the policies they have greater chances of success and impl

dhs secretary johnson told the president he didn't have the legal authority to stop deportations for 7 million people the way a comprehensive senate bill may have, but he did have the authority to stop deportations for about 5 million people and that is exactly what the president recently announced. heather? >> congress returns next week. we'll see what they have to say about it. peter doocy, thank you. >>> nfl runningback ray rice can now play in the nfl if any team will sign him. he recently won an appeal overturning his indefinite suspension after fallout from a video why he was seen hitting his then fee onstay in an elevator. after weeks of appeals and arbitration, rice is free to sign with another team. but the bigger question remains, who is going to want him? dominic denatale has the details from our west coast news room. >> reporter: hey there. actually he's already being signed up by the fans, at least, 168,000 people, believe it or not, on yahoo's fantasy leagues added him, but no sign yet that any real world nfl teams are interested. tony richardson, the former two-time al

are you competing for more resources because you're in dhs? there are alled in that, and it seems like you have less competition. is that accurate? >> it would be hard for me to evaluate compared to the treasury. i know all the agencies have important missions. so we are all vying for those dollars. >> yes. >> and i know you said you were in a management position. but i have retired secret service agents in my district, and they've served in both capacities. pre-2003 and then after, and i think by and large, you know, i get negative feedback. but when you're talking with people, other agents who have lived through this, is it something you would say a substantial number have misgivings about? >> when we have failures, they're really our failures. >> and i understand that. you've been frank. but we have to look at how are we, you know, we're legislating this stuff. we're funding these different agencies. and if we haven't done that in a way that best meets the needs of the american people, we have to go back and evaluate. so i'm just curious. i

remember dhs is the leader. in military jargon they are the commander and we are supporting them under your hat, cyber command or nsa. we partner with others in the federal government in addition to the vhs come fbi depending on the treasury, segment, that work in the energy segment, we partner with others. u.s. cyber command. we are not the lead in the agency. we partner with others. >> we have time for one last question. can you wait for the microphone to get to you? there have been some reports recently about the nsa working part-time. >> there've been reports recently about employees in the nsa working part-time and some former employees going on to the private sector. how is that affecting the morale in the nsa and is there any concern about that prla >> first, we have a formal set of processes that must be applied when individuals are going to do something in addition to their nsa duties. we review that consistently over time, and when circumstances change, what was acceptable at one point we'll say, hey,

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in another issue is the notification process dh most of the property owners never got noticed until i just learned about this last week. thirdly, and if that were reduced the housing, people will not rent m this area which we are decreasing the housing stock. and lastly, i want to say. >>president david chiu: thank you very much. next speaker. >> thank you everyone for me the opportunity to talk to you. this is the same picture that she show and i want to tell you this is unacceptable building code this at & t tower. you can see the building sfr here to here. it still have longer because you cannot see. i can see and i'm going to show you the pictures here. this is the back of the building and you can see that the building is already extended to every inch of the property line and there is no window, no doors, no fire escape, no skylight for these people cooking below this. you can see that the kitchen when three of them and you can tell this is a heavy heavy kitchen that cooking and there is no fire escape for these people. and this is taken from my backyard. i also want to show you

probably the dhs, in my view, would be the best place for that. that was part of its job when it was chartered after 9/11. but i don't think the fcc should have a lead dog role in that but certainly should be part of the broader chorus to help with it. >> i would think there is a portion that has to be at the fcc because they do have subject matter expertise. i serve on some energy boards, i have friends in the water industry. we do need a coordinated effort, across government on cybersecurity, because we get millions of pings a day, folks trying to come to our network of our most critical infrastructure. whether it's water, bridges, transportation, telecommunications. and no one agency can handle that, not even for consumers. to rob's point, we need to be vigilant. if you know as much as he knows and i know about what's happening in terms of pings, you don't sleep well at night wondering what will happen if somebody decides to make a concerted effort to take down one of our networks. >> can i ask you a question? to use the word, the four-letter w