children in dhs and hss custody are being well taken care of. department of health and human services office of refugee settlement provides meals, medical care and education services to these children. they are provided temporary and they work hard to find a parent, relative or foster home to care for these children. can still communicate with their children through hone calls and videoconferencing. a parent that's released from a sponsor and ask hss to release a child back into their care. urther, these minors can still apply for asylum and other protections under u.s. if eligible.aw we take allegations of mistreatment seriously, an i stress this point. we investigate, we hold those and if it when should occur. we have some of the highest detention standards in the country. claiming these children and their parents are treated not true, and completely disrespects the hard working men and women at the of refugee resettlement. hird, parents who entered illegally are by definition criminals. llegal entry is a crime as determined by congress. by en

we have children in dhs care. most of the children after 72 hours are transported to hhs. >> you're saying they are being well caret four. -- well cared for, how can you make that claim if you don't know where they are. >> i'm saying the vast majority of the are held by health and human services and we transfer them after 72 hours. let's find out from hhs. >> your department, this has been aired all over national television. throughout the day. the kids were being held in cages. >> i will look into that. i'm not aware that there is another picture. >> you continue to insist that this is something that congress can change any of this is something that was enacted after the attorney general announced a zero-tolerance policy. this never happened before that. >> that's not true. the last administration, the obama administration, the bush administration all separated families. they absolutely did. they did less than ours but they absolutely did this. this is not new. they separated families. rate from their families is

finally, dhs is not separating families legitimately seeking asylum at ports of entry. if an adult enters at a port of entry and claimed asylum, they will not face prosecution for illegal entry. they have not committed a crime by coming to the port of entry. dhs does have a responsibility to protect minors and in that case, we will only separate the family if we cannot determine there is a familiar relationship , if the child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian, or if the parent or legal guardian is referred to prosecution. theave a duty to protect american people and that is one i take seriously. here is the bottom line, dhs is not ignoring the law, we are enforcing the law as they exist. as long as he legal entry is a criminal offense -- illegal entry is a criminal offense, dhs will not look the other way and execute the laws enacted by congress as we are sworn to do. beginning of the unraveling of democracy when the body who makes the law, instead of changing them, tells the enforcement body not to enforce the law. i asked congress to secure our borders

>> secretary nielsen, you talked about the dhs no longer ignoring the law. members of congress of the democratic side say you're using children as a lever to try to get them to take legislative action. what do you say to that? >> i say it's a very cowardly response. it's clearly within their power to make the laws and change the laws they should do so. >> have you seen the photos of children in cages? have you heard the audio clip of these children crying that just came out today? >> i have not seen, it's something that came out today but i've been to detention centers and again, i would reference you to our standards. i would reference you to the care provided not just by the department of homeland security but by the department of health and human services when they get to hhs. >> but is that what you want out there, children the image? >> the image i want of this country is an immigration system that secures our borders and upholds our humanitarian ideals. congress needs to fix that. yes. >> i wanted to give you a chance to respond to laura bush an op-ed

>> contentious is a fair word as well with the dhs secretary. she was asked a range of questions including is she comfortable with the images, kids in cages that we all saw today. the sounds of children crying. she went back to the talking point which we expected which is that the president wants to see broader immigration reform and, therefore, make the separation of parents and children unnecessary. however, i pressed her over and over again on the fact that, look this stemmed from the zero tolerance policy. she tried to make the case that this is nothing new. but the reality is, of course, the rate at which we're seeing parents being separated from their children is much greater than we've ever witnessed. and therefore, is a result of the zero tolerance policy. again, she firmly pushed back on that and said the only way to resolve this is through broad immigration reform. now, of course, there are potentially two pieces of legislation that are going to move through the house this week. but they're both facing very steep hurdles. it's not clea

as i mentioned, dhs does have responsibility to protect minors. in that case, we will only separate the family if we cannot determine there is a familial relationship. if the child may be at risk with a parent or legal guardian or if the parent or legal guardian is referred for prosecution. we have a duty to protect the american people and that's when i take very seriously. here is the bottom line. dhs is no longer ignoring the law. we are enforcing the laws as they exist on the books. as long as illegal entry remains a criminal offense, dhs will not look the other way. dhs will faithfully execute the laws enacted by congress as we are sworn to do. as i said earlier today, surely it's the beginning of the unraveling of democracy when the body who makes the laws, instead of changing them, tells the enforcement body not to enforce the law. i asked congress to ask this week so we can secure our borders and uphold our humanitarian ideas. these two missions should not be pitted against each other. if we close the loopholes, we can accomplish both. befo

when you are secretary of dhs, first of all, should dhs have been created? was that the right thing to do? >> guest: i think it was the right thing to do. for a variety of reasons, the most important was to put under one roof various departments that were spread throughout the government that facilitate effective communication in a more efficient management of our security apparatus. within the department of homeland security you have land borders, air borders, air travel, if fema, you have cyber security, and intelligence and analysis function. it does make sense that there be one department in which all of the functions her house. >> you are the first democratic secretary of dhs following the bush administration. it's early on has a gelled more than it was? >> i think it takes a while. there are 23 different agencies that were combined when they created dhs. people say took the department of defense 40 years to become the department of defense. they had far fewer departments to merge. that work continues. but the work of my predecessors laid the foundation

second, children in dhs and hhs custody are being well taken care of. the office of refugee resettlement provides meals, medical care and educational services to these children. they are provided temporary shelter in hhs works hard to find a parent, relative or foster home to care for these children. parents can still communicate with their children through phone calls and video conferencing. and a parent released from custody can be a sponsor and ask hhs to release the child back into their care. further, these minors could still apply for asylum under u.s. immigration law if eligible. we take allegations of mistreatment seriously. and i want to stress this point. we investigate, we hold those accountable when and if it should occur. we have some of the highest detention standards in the country. claiming these children and their parents are treated inhumanely is not true. and completely disrespects the hard working men and women at the office of refugee resettlement. third, parents who entered illegally are by definition criminals. illegal entry is a

dhs stands ready to help based on state and local needs. to these collective efforts we have seen significant progress. data local officials are act the table working with us. we created government coordinating council private- sector councils through collaborative working to share information. we've created the election infrastructure information sharing analysis center. it is the fastest growing sector. we are sponsoring up to three election officials in three states which will allow officials to receive classified thread information. we have increased availability of free technical assistance across the sector. dhs offers a variety of services such as cybersecurity assessment intrusion detecting capabilities information sharing and awareness. the progress being made is clear as is evident by the testimony you have heard today. across the country secretaries of state estate election directors local election officials are taking the steps necessary to respond to this new and evolving threats. take for example the work the secretary washing

i think dhs has been able to rely on them significantly. and we have certainly at the local level. >> and, mr. praets, you discuss in your testimony, and mr. shuler mentioned not all authorities have access to protecting them. can you both discuss how they can provide much needed resource and expertise? >> they have a number of white papers and information out there available. they are trying to do all they c can. i think the major issue is oftentimes election official are so over task withed these various administrative duties. they don't have a budget to handle the budget they have. they don't have access to that information just by the logistical way their job occurs every single day. and that's why i think if we can have programs that are there to help, like noah mentioned this morning, i think that's going to be the type of help that our local election officials appreciate. because they are concerned. they are worried. they realize they don't have the techno background or capabilities or the local help to be able to get that protection

dhs in a lot of ways dropped the ball with their implementation of this.y judges and necessary administrators down at the border to be able to be ready for this surge that was going to be coming. i think they also needed to make sure they were doing a site-by-site scan of -- because they knew at a certain point the media and other people would be coming through and make sure all the different locations were up to snuff and taking a look at these and walk through the optics of everything. as a trump supporter when i see congress dropping the ball, don't think dhs has done everything they needed to, it's a right policy but wrong i implementati implementation. this critical mass here. >> bakari, jason is saying the policy, itself, is the right policy. >> no, it's not. i don't know how anybody who's a father, anybody who believes in what the statue of liberty reads, believes in what the essence of america is can say this is the right policy. the white house has bumbled messages before. we've seen it. they came out and lied and said this is the law. you had sur

the rest dhs says came into this company without a parent or guardian. now, some new information from msnbc's david soboroff, he spoke with an official, he said that the separated parents were given the option to sign paperwork to be deported and many of them chose to do so. so that means that a quote large percentage of those separated families, the adults may have already been reported. now, according to this dhs official there's no hard numbers on that yet. but that's according to msnbc's jacob soboroff. the bottom line, david, many of these 2,000 children or so, they're still in custody right now are in limbo. as you mentioned there are more protests planned today. we were near here in mccallen where buses came in to protest outside of that ursula processing facility. there was some tense moments where they stopped a bus full of migrants coming out of the facility. certainly a lot of outrage building here but in the dhs statement the government is insisting that it knows where all the children in its custody are and it's working to reunite them with

there have been serious problems with people in dhs. they told states about instances, but they couldn't tell us who they told. they hadn't told chief election officials. they might have told a local election official. we've had problems with things being classified far and above what they should be classified. so they couldn't tell that to election authorities and we couldn't respond. >> very good. well, no, i've seen that and that's well put. and it must be incredibly frustrating when you're trying to do your job and we discussed already the post election audit process. we talked about paper ballots and how important this money is. and mr. masterson, in a recent article you wrote about some of the great work election officials are doing around the country. do you believe that state and local election officials can benefit from this sharing that we talked about. this is not just the immediate information about the threat that we need to have happen but also best practices. >> absolutely. yes. >> i went trhrough all of those because tha

because of the decision, dhs is faced with the hobson's choice on one hand because of the settlement, they can choose to release any group of undocumented people that appear to be a family and the phrase , thats to be, is key here catch and release policy not only results in the mass release intoauthorized immigrants american communities, but also encourages smugglers, coyotes, and human traffickers to exploit the system. written several letters to the department on this terrible reality as even the obama administration noticed, human traffickers were quick to exploit the release of family exportation resulted in dangerous trafficking of thousands of children across the mexican countryside to be placed where their makeshift families near the borders, at is worse, dhs has no way to verify if unauthorized immigrants are the family units they claim to be. is equallyhat that as concerning to my colleagues. the other side of this coin is because of florez, if dhs and doj seek to enforce the law, they must separate parents and children, 4s will not allow them to be kept together, pending th

you've been talking with dhs for daysnd weeks about this policy. can you describe, based on your reporting over the last 48, 72 hours or so, where dhs seems to be? again, i've heard from administration officials this hour, while we've been on the air, who were saying, hey, you guys have to go. media is wrong on this. media isn't painting the whole picture. you're not telling the full context of what these actions are all about. >> that's right. i mean, it seems on one hand, hallie, they are spending a lot of their time just running an anti-messaging campaign. we had a conference call last week with reporters, where dhs tried to go through story by story, anecdote by anecdote, and say it wasn't true. they weren't getting enough information out there. we had the secretary of homeland security, kirstjen nielsen, tweet out yesterday that there was no policy for separating women and children. this was just a product of having to prosecute them and carry out u.s. law. on other hand, we just saw secretary nielsen say these children are being cared for. th

our policy at dhs is to do what we're sworn to do, which is to enforce the hlaw. it's a law passed by the united states congress, rather than fixing the law, congress is asking those of us who enforce the law to turn our backs on the law and not enforce the law. >> let's bring in my panel. maria hinojosa is the anchor and executive producer of "latino usa." brett stevens, op-ed columnist for "the new york times." and my friend reverend mark thompson, the host of "make it plain" on sirius xm progress. maria, okay, we've now heard three conflicting reasons from the trump administration for why this is happening. what i don't understand specifically from the people i'm speaking on it at ground, there's an imgramigrant issue, a crisis. the reason the president could not get support to build a border wall is because it makes no sense and it solves no -- it solves nothing. so what is happening here besides conflicting explanations from one administration? >> well, i mean, stephanie, that's the big question, right, people are saying how did this happen. it's a long arc,

it's doj versus dhs. i know a lot of you cover this issue. we know that. we're saying with stick with dhs and oh, by the way, we'll finance facilities for families to make sure that they can be taken care of so we don't have to have this ridiculous choice between enforcing our borders and enforcing the law and keeping families together. we think it's a false choice. >> thank you, mr. speaker. >> if the bill is unable to pass tomorrow night what is plan b, and also -- >> everybody asks that. this bill is plan b for us to begin with. so right now we're focused on this legislation. by the way, it solves daca in a very elegant way, by the way. it's a very good solution for daca. we are focused on getting the bill passed and the president came to our conference and asked members to support this bill and that is our focus. if other things happen we'll cross those bridges when we get to it. >> have you asked the president to push pause on this policy. >> he asked us to pass this legislation which stops this policy for good. yeah. >> speaker ryan, so your legislat

and we are hearing from the dhs secretary there is no such policy. all of those things can't be true. this just looks bad, it is a mess and nothing about all of those explanations looks as bad as the image of children behind and the soundses of them crying in captivity. and if the administration get -- i don't know what hope there is for dealing with the administration. i very much hope that we will. the person smiling about this other than the president himself is vladimir putin, our great rival, who loves to see america ticket bad punch in the nose and i think it's unfortunate we are here. >> with the chairman yield for question? -- would the chairman yield for question? do you have any reason to believe the of menstruation would support your proposal? >> i don't know, but i do know this, that the leader would not bring up any immigration bills that the amiss -- that the administration is not committed to signing, because we have spent one week on immigration and he doesn't want to spend anymore unless we get a product through. which basically mean

dhs dropped the ball with administration of this. they should have been ready for this surge that was coming. they knew at certain point the media and other people would be coming through and make sure all of these location where is up to snuff. and as a trump supporter, i see congress dropping the ball and i don't think dhs has done everything they needed to. and now we are at this critical mass here. >> bakari, jason is saying the policy itself is the right policy. >> no it is not. i don't know how anybody who is a father, or who anybody believes what the statue of liberty reads, believes this is a right policy. they came out and lied and said this is the law. what law are you talking about, no one can point to it. this is policy. policy implemented by one person and it can be changed with one phone call. we are praying that donald trump gets positive images of children, we are talking about kids. we are talking about human beings, playing in cages smiling so he may one day reverse course. that is what we are talking about here. it

miller, and then we're hearing from the dhs secretary there is no policy. all of those things cannot be true. this just looks bad, it is a mess, and in about all of those explanations looks as bad as the image of children the hind chain-link fences under bit -- the blankets and the sounds of them crying in cap -- in captivity. if this administration does not get that that is bad for the country to have those images out there as what america represents, i do not know what there is dealing with with the administration. i think it for doing things as -- irs of congress are very much hope we will. the person smiling the most perhaps other than the president himself is probably vladimir putin, our great rival who loves to see america take a bad punch in the nose in his image. i think it is unfortunate we are here with this. >> with the chairman yield for a question? it, go ahead.swer >> do you have any reason to believe the administration will it, go ahead. support your proposal? >> i don't know but i do know that the leader will not ring up any immigration bill

i now serve as a senior advisor at dhs. focused on the word the department is doing to support the thousand of election officials across the country. in this decade of work i can tell you the best part is working with a dedicated professionals that administer elections. in the face of real and sophisticated threat, these officials have responded by working with us, state and local resources, the private sector and academia to mitigate risks and improve resilience. election security is a national security issue. and a top priority for the department. our mission at dhs is to ensure the election --'s system owners, in this case the local officials across the country have the necessary information and support to assess risk and recover from those risks. the support can come in many forms. dhs stands ready to help and offered taylor support based on state and local officials needs. through these efforts we have made significant progress. state and local officials and those private sector partners who support them are at the tab

now the hhs and dhs is off the hook to find ids beds. they still have unaccompanied minor but the population should go down. now they have to get to work finding all the children, locating their parents and linking them back together. that is not a small task. from my initial scan of the executive order i didn't see any specific direction. jacob, unless you did. >> no. something that occurred to me, if the administration doesn't get an exemption from the floors settlement, they basically have 20 days to figure this out. >> a great point. the executive order directs the attorney general to petition the judge who oversees that consent degree to be allowed out of the 20 day part of that consent degree. >> if they don't, they have 20 days to literally set up tent camps on army bases around the country. >> right. there is also just a question of what the court is going to do, right? i mean, this is facially an assault on one of the conditions of the flores consent decree what was the ruling in 2017 that the administration habit poing. to this

january 2017, dhs designated our electoral system as critical infrastructure. that designation supported two cyber security related purposes. one, election officials upon request would be a top priority for the receipt of dhs services. and election infrastructure would receive the benefit of various domestic and international cyber security protections. moreover, department of homeland security has worked to feed classified and unclassified cyber security risk information. with state and local officials. dhs has formed several working groups and task force developing plans for election infrastructure security. working not only with state and local election officials, but also the private sector to help generate best practices and solutions. the department has continued to work to strengthen partnerships with state and local election officials. nevertheless, elections are controlled by states. that means these partnerships are completely voluntary. that puts the onus upon states to seek help from and cooperate with our federal government. if they don't, of cours

the president giving dhs the authorization to hold family units together as long as is necessary, go to the district court in california asking for permission to do it and directing the secretary of defense to make available enough facilities to house these people. again, it all hinges on whether judge gee does modify that concert decree. if she doesn't, this is off. trace? >> trace: let's assume for the sake of argument that she did sides, okay, fine. we'll play it your wear. as general mattis said, we're going to put these people in military bases. can you imagine the optics of that? the outcry if you have children in the immigration detention centers. what is the outcry going to be when you send them to u.s. military bases in perpetuity? >> clearly opponents of this policy will make hay out of that. general mattis pointed out that facilities have been used in the past to house refugees, victims from natural disasters. that sort of thing. anybody that is in the military knows the facilities are not the four seasons, you know, they're comfortable as well. so i don't think there's go

those tests came after a dhs team led by dr.obert hickey took two days to hack remotely into the plane while parked at faa facility at atlantic city airport in december 2016. the dhs team got in through the plane's radio frequency communications using typical stuff that could be brought through airport security. in response, dhs scheduled those further hacking attempts on the plane including efforts to access flight management, life support, autopilot, electrical and fuel systems, as well as the its engines. >> now i think we have come to real i that cyberthreat is everywhere. >> ron hosko former assistant director of the fbi. >> my fear is that our nation acts most directly when they're on the back side of a crisis. the crisis has occurred. we lose a lot of lives. and now we are prepared to put money into infrastructure. >> while the 757 hasn't been built since 2004 it is an aging work force for american, delta and united. president trump's personal plane is a 757. so is the aircraft often used by vice president mike pence. >>

dhs continues to say anyone that's legally trying to get into the u.s. and applying asylum that's how you're supposed to do it. those parents will not be separated from their child. the problem was that because the system is so over loaded, these people were being pulled, as the rain picks up here, they were being told there was no room and they had to keep waiting. they had to wait more than the 72 hours that dhs saying they would be processed. one o those families was there with her young son, three years old. she was able to be sent for processing. we haven't gotten an update. it was another young mother who had two children. at last check yesterday she was still waiting to get into the processing center to be able to apply for asylum. still in that sense there's still a lot of questions on how long it will take for some of these immigrants to be processed for asylum. because of that uncertainty, some of them are making the decision to cross over into the u.s. illegally. those that do and pked up are charged here in immigration court but now there's t

. >> dhs is no longer ignoring the law. we're enforcing the laws as they exist on the books. as long as illegal entry replains kranl offense, dhs will not look the other way. >> despite the mounting pressure, the president is also pushed back against criticism. >> immigration is the fault and all of the problems that we're having because we cannot get them to sign legislation. we cannot get them even to the negotiating table. i say it's very strongly the democrats' fault. the united states will not be a migrant camp and it will not be a refugee holding facility. it won't be. >> seeking to deflect the president laid blame at the feet of democrats. those comments contradict statements by his own attorney general. and cleave hief of staff who he champion this policy. >> i have put in place a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry on our southwest border. if you're smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you as required by law. >> a big name of the game is deterence. if it's a family separation stands as a tough deterrent? >> could be

dhs secretary nielsen walked inside with her security detail to thisur mexican rest behind me. moments later protesters went in and had signed and they were yelling shame at her. >> shame, shame, shame, shame! >> reporter: the metro d.c. democratic socialists of america party posted this video on facebook showing members of the group interrupting department or homeland secity secretary nielsen's dner at the mx d.c. cocina mexina restaurant. they're protesting the policy thateparates children from their parents. yesterday secretary nielsen had a befing at the white house defending the policy. >> dhs is no longerg ignore law. we have enforcing the laws as they exist on the books.g as l illegal entry remains a criminal offense, dhs will not look the other way. > reporter: now, after the incident president trump tweeted in support of homeland security nielsen, saying she did abu us job yesterday at the press conference explaining security at the border and for our country. well, at the same time recommending changes to and nasty laws which force family separation. we want heart and

i think it's telling that some of the pictures that came out were from dhs.hink the white house wants this controversy, they're trying to forcing this to happen. everything the president does is a negotiation. he is talked about when the government funding is up that he may not sign a funding bill until immigration is settled. he's pushing through all this controversy to get to something. i think when you hear the audio and the stuff you were playing before, we are ripping the band aid off of an ugly ish which is what we don't want to talk about this in country, which is how horrible or immigration system and is how horrible it is with the things happening on the border. there are worse things than this happening with the children on our border every day. i hope the media will start digging be that a lit and see how horrible children are smuggled across the board -- >> i get you mike. >> this is one thing that has to be solved and the president has to solve it. >> all of it is terrible. americans cannot coyotes. president seems to be -- you should not be comp

as dhs separates families at the borders, dhs will likely have to detain people over age 18 in adult immigration detention facilities and designate any children as unaccompanied. i worry that there are no reliable mechanisms in place to ensure that families can be reunified later. if an adult goes through current criminal proceedings and is subject to expedited removal, how is his or her child in a shelter somewhere in the united states know how to get in touch with them? i fear these policies will be harmful in the long run. lastly, i would like to hear how you are managing your resources to address potentially more asylum seekers at our ports of entry. given this new zero tolerance policy for people crossing between our ports of entry along our southern border dhs is urging people to claim asylum at poverty entry insteadch the staffing shortage is a persistent problem and i would like to learn how capacity issues at ports are like hi to be affected by the policy changes. i thank you for joining us today, and i yield back the balance of my time. >> the chair now recognize the chairm

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that's what dhs says. that is the question right now. what happens to this 10-year-old girl and will she be reunited with her mother, hallie. >> gabe >>> this reporter says that's a photo from the shelter. there are these images here, but as these images are coming out, president trump is retweeting just while gabe was talking a pastor who says #it's all politics, this issue. president trump is up, he's on twitter. kristine welker is watching that twitter account. kristen, after we saw the lawmakers go to the white house 18 hours ago, now they're coming to here. they're coming to talk zte and china. it seems like it will be virtually impossible for immigration not to come up here. >> reporter: it seems like it would be impossible, pally. we're talking about 20 minutes mostly from the arms services committee. this is the topic that serve talking about in washington and frankly across the country so it's hard to believe that this wouldn't be a topic as well. and we know that republican lawmakers are getting concerned that this will have a

dhs says if facilities are not available, tents will be constructedarn mil basis. dhs is asking that the first 2,000eo pple be housed within the next 45 hadays. >> you, leon. >>> new at 11:00, caps fans. jackie bensonls t us what happens next. >> reporter: the victim was here, the robber bot her wallet that had an fbiadge and her government id. as washington capital fans surge. a woman f herself hemmed. a man tried to grab the bacack she hlung in front of her. police say these images show the man wealanges and a black hat with the o logothe bass sportswear compa on it. he did pull out her wallet. the wallet contained the victim's fbi badge and id and not clear if those have turned up yet. this robbery is one of the few incidents of crime reported to police. and there is $1,000 rewar for information in this case. live in north west. >>> jackie, thank you.f ch meteorologist doug kammerer watching storms on the radar. what i the latest on that heat wave. >> coming. at least in the city. everybody else is going to see the heat and humidity moving in. e are tracking sho

now i serve as senior adviser at dhs. in this decade of work, i can tell you the absolute best part is working with the dedicated professionals maryland administer -- to mitigate rigat- it's to ensure officials across this country. to protect, detect and recover from those risks. at no cost to military technical assistance -- and ransom and directive malware. dhs stands ready to help and offer tailored support. through these efforts, we've made -- to improve improve the resilience of the practice. we've created counsels who work to share information, promote best practices and strategies to reduce risks to the nation's election systems. we've created the election infrastructure, information sharing and analysis center with members from every state and hundreds of local jurisdictions. this is our fastest growing sector. we're sponsoring up to three election officials for security clearances which allow us to receive information if necessary. we've increased free technical assistance across the sector. also, dhs has been le

he could send commands to dhs in a hot minute and tell them to change this.hey could issue an executive order and change this. who's going to sue them over it? no one, that's who. and they could do all these things right now. this is a completely policy of deliberate cruelty. this is a policy of deliberate political strategic manipulation, and it's back firing them badly right now and it puts the hilie of executive orders, he wants to get away with something. now he's feeling a tremendous amount of political pressure on something he's engaging in a policy -- this is a president who specializes in both grand and petty cruelties to people. and this is one that's of such a grand scale and such an obvious scale, it's washing away a lot of the politics behind it, the law under it. what really is starting to matter to average americans, they're seeing these images of these children and hearing these crying children's voices, they're not going to play the game of fox news can say all day long this is about obama or this is about some other policy. i was a critic of

we heard dhs describing their services. there are others that we can tap into. the price is right. the other thing i will say is we leverage the framework. it breaks down the attack process into stages and each stage lists all of the known techniques that attackers use during that stage. it is a very comprehensive matrix. you k on a specific technique and it brings up a wiki page and it tells you the threat actors that are known to use that and it describes that in detail so again, you can have your testers simulate the attacks and work with your stock in a model to account for all of these threats and it gets you into the intel focus approach. the other one if you have resources or key industry partners, leverage them. they just gave us a report about the network activities on our network and they did the report for us and they prioritize the threat that we should be concerned about and we can per ties that w, too. the other thing is to share. we need to work through this and get comfortable sharing and get to where an attack on anyone of us equals protection for all of us. g is v

we heard dhs earlier describing their services.here's others we can tap into, and the price is right, so take advantage of those. the other thing i'll say is um, we leverage the minor attack framework. that breaks down the attack process into stages and each stage lists the techniques used by attackers during the stage. you click on a specific technique, and it brings up a wiki page and brings up the threat actors known to use that and describes it in detail, so again you can have penetration testers simulate the attacks and work with your team to account for all of this and sort of get you into the intel- focused approach. the other one, if you have resources like fireeye or other key industry partners, leverage them. they just provided a report to us about the network activity on our network, and they, they did the report for us and prioritized the threat, so it's helping us to prioritize that way too. and the last one is share. you've heard that before. share, share, share. we have to work through this and get to a point where w

is -- dhs evaluates a child at the border. one is does this child actually have a custodial or familial relationship with the adult? number two, is the child in danger and plenty have been over time. some adults are using children to gain access to the border. number three is the alt subject to criminal prosecution? this is a vexing problem that both presidents bush and president obama faced as well. secretary of dhs under president obama told "the new york times" this weekend that this was the bane of his existence for three years. he was describing the fact that they had to detain families in these large facilities for a very long period of time. why? because inhe summer of 2014, we saw this surge particularly from central america. tens of thousands if not more unaccompanied miners coming to the border and trying to gain entry. i have a teenage daughter, you have a dean age daughter. can we say with a straight face that we know all- what happened to t teenage huff po did a segment about the girls faced certain rape trying to

to make that phone call to the attorney general to dhs, stop this policy? >> the president i ready to get meaningful immigration reform across the board and chuck, let me just tell you that nobody likes seeing babies ripped from their mother's arms, from their mother's wombs frankly, but we have to make sure that dhs is -- the laws are understood through the sound bite culture we live in. there are three circumstances by which dhs evaluates a child at the border. one is does this child actually chave atodial or familial relationship with the adult? number two, is i the child danger and plenty have been over time. some adults are using childre to gainaccess to the border. number three is the adult subject to criminal prosecution? this is aexing problem that both presidents bush and president obama faced as well.y secret dhs under president obama told "the new york times" this weekend that this was the bane of his extence for three ars. he was describing the fact that they had to detain families in these large facilities for a very long period of time. why? b

our second stop was a facility run by dhs where adults are taken. there the senator was let in, and we were turned away. but when she came back outside she described a little bit of what the conditions were like inside for the adults who have been there. many of them she said have been separated from their children for weeks. here is some of that interview. >> there is the barbed wire everywhere, right? they are put in overalls or colored -- depending on level of risk the color thisser this. they take their clothes at the very beginning and put it in a bag like you would in a prison system to secure thing. certain times you can use the you had kpoo, certain time for free time, certain times you can watch tv but only on certain channels. frankly some of the women i talked to said that if there is any type of news about the families and childrens and being deintad they will change the channel on them. >> reporter: that was one of the most striking things to me is that the folks who are in these detention facilities are just not getting information. no