and, yeah, there's some di visiveness there but it's on both sides. need to realize is donald trump -- and i vote against donald trump and outspoken against donald trump, but guess what, he won. and when you win you get to pick the cabinet. let's be clear, i worked for bernie sanders. if he'd won the presidency, you'd be interviewing the secretary of agriculture right now because i'm the only liberal that knows how to drive a tractor. that's just how the game is played. >> gary b. >> well, i don't think it creates a division as much as it creates misinformation. you know, i have a daughter, vassar is one of the original seven sisters, my daughter went to one of the other seven sisters as a college professor in boston, she could not be more liberal. but here's the nice thing, now at 29 she's starting to realize as she furthers on in life you become more con zefbtive because you all of a sudden have to start thinking, my gosh, i can't afford my health care bill, or my gosh, i wish i made more money, how can i make more money? and she's starting to becom

the republican primary is long di visive. he didn't become the nominee until late. if fact is she has more time and invested more heavily in a ground game. i think for donald trump to win a state like. >> holly or pennsylvania, it's not good enough to be tied he's got to be up a point or two, maybe as much as two points because democrats billed in the obama victory, they have better infrastructure tan republicans, by deposition, you have a commander in chief sitting in the white house at your party. >> bill, one of the things we've noticed here. it's not surprising you started to do it in '08.2 and when you hold a rally say in late october in florida t. clinton campaign has been planning them as close to an early polling location as they k. i saw it in north carolina. the trump campaign hasn't been doing that as much. maybe that just goes to inexperience on the ground. >> right, it's a big problem, the clinton campaign like the obama campaign before it is very focused on the actual mechanics of voting. what do people need to do to get their ballots, to get to the po