what stood out to me about that episode is that it is kind of a hunt. >> ross hanson and diane erdmannt, a bullion business that sold precious metals like gold and silver coins. the only catch the business turned out to be bogus. the couple running a ponzi like scheme, defrauding thousands of customers out of more than $30 million. lacey sitting down with key characters piecing together the scheme. >> jay young, former cfo at northwest territorial mint, saw it all go down. if there's anyone who can help connect the dots, it's him. >> we have. >> been getting so many complaints from customers about gold and silver shipments being delayed that i thought, there's got to be something here. why are we not shipping this out? >> i got lucky with the people that we sat down with. this one is complicated. it took a lot of work to deconstruct, and i think that's really necessary for people who might be susceptible to scams. because if you're a really high, intelligent person, you might meet a scammer who has your bait. that will just throw a lot of complicated things into the point where you can