you also see members of congress like diane feinstein, who at fist was like this program is great andending it, who are now less equivocal about it. >> we know the president addressed this in the press conference last friday. this need to be more transparent. let's take a listen. >> identi've taken steps to make they have strong oversight by all three branches of government and clear safeguards to prevent abuse and protect the rights of the american people. but given the history of abuse by governments, it's right to ask questions about surveillance, particularly as technology is reshaping every aspect of our lives. >> so perry, these new documents, i'm curious, how far in advance does the president and administration hear about these documents? we know now that they heard about them before the public did, but did they know about it during the time of the press conference or before that? >> it sounds like they did, or they didn't know when "the washington post" would publish the story about them. these audits about these violations have been known for quite a while. the danger here be

that's according to the chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee diane feinstein.here are about one case per year during the past ten years that we know about. and the people who participated were reportedly disciplined. the second major revelation to come out this week, the german publicication report that is the nsa managed to crack the encryption codes protecting the u.n.'s internal video conferencing system, allowing the u.s. to spy. this comes just a short time after revelations came out about the agency's spying on the e.u. i was joined earlier by a 32-year veteran of the nsa and helped design some of the very programs that the n sanch still uses today to spy. before he turned into a whistleblower. we started out by talking about the 2011 fisa court ruling that was recently released by the obama administration. in it the nsa said it was stepping out of the shadowing by having this part released because it wanted to show that it operates lawfuly and fixes mistakes when detected. i asked if he thinks that statement is true. >> no. i basically believe all the fi

i think we need to prevent an attack wherever we can from happening. , diane feinstein is circling the different place than these other senators that we've heard from republican and democrat. read she brings up 9/11. the u.s. government had all the information it needed to prevent 9/11. it didn't need all of these ball data collection and everything else. all it needed to do was have the cia tell the fbi or the state department that these two people were coming to the united states because they knew it. they knew it because they had copies of their visas that have been sent to them. knew there were coming to the united states. the problem wasn't collecting information,, the problem was disturbing the information. justifying all of this based on 9/11 is just total nonsense. >> canted also get in the way of national security? are so inundated in information they can't make sense of any of it. >> that is the point. we have had this going on for seven years, this internal domestic metadata telephone collection and up until 2011, the e-mail collection also. and yet we have had after 9/11 --

i want to play a little bit of sound from one of them, diane feinstein. >> i think based on what i know, they will come after us and i think we need to prevent an attack wherever we can from happening. >> now, even she has said she's open to making changes, more public disclosure of the inqu y inquiries from the fbi and be available to every member of congress. is that enough? >> no. i think it's important that members of congress have more access to the fisa court opinions but we need to return the patriot act to what it was intended to be and that was that it was intend as a device to go after those who are actually the suspects of an investigation and we had mr. sensenbrenner who is one of the chief authors of the patriot act come to the house floor and sand up and say he support by amendment because he thought the patriot act was being misinterpreted, misapplied by courts and by executive branch officials. >> good to see you both and so good to see actually two members who are on opposite sides of the aisle coming together for something. thank you both. >> thank you. >> is a-rod out

>> the chair of the senate intelligence committee says -- diane -- feinstein is supportive., quote, i agree with secretary kerry, that the world cannot let such heinous attack pass without a meaningful response, and i hope the international community will take appropriate action. now a spokesman for house speaker john boehner told me a short time ago, the speaker has not ruled out congress coming back early, but i'm reminded it would require both baner and senate majority leader harry reid to bring congress back early. >> last month the chairman of the joints chief of staff warned any intervention in syria carries a very big risk. general mart din dempsey wrote in a letter, quote, once we take action we should be prepared for what comes next. deeper involvement is hard to avoid. that's a feeling many current and former military officers echoed when they spoke to the "washington post" newspaper. with us now, bill cowen, a fox news analyst. the criticism i there's no end game so why begin the game? >> i almost believe the president may be wondering the same thing in his statem

chris, barbara boxer has now joined diane feinstein and called on bob filner publicly to resign.wn him for a long time, but enough is enough. it's in his professional interest and in the interest of the people of san diego for him to get out of dodge. this is as more women are coming forward, including military women who were victims of assaults, alleged assaults, some rapes, in the military who were in a support group and claim that he came on to them when he visited them as a congressional member chairing the veterans affair committee. >> you know, andrea, i think you're going to see more and more of this. barbara boxer pretty harshly worded letter saying, you can't do the job anymore. remember, bob filner is somebody who spent a decade or so here in washington representing the san diego area before running and winning the mayoral election. he's currently in the midst of week one of two weeks of intensive therapy. the problem here, andrea, is that if he doesn't want to leave, if he doesn't want to resign, recalling him is both hard -- 100,000-plus signatures needed -- and it's

the "washington post" reported the chair of the senate intelligence committee diane feinstein wasn'tit until it was reported in the paper. feinstein disputes that, but in a statement admitted that the committee can and should do more to independently verify that nsa's operations are inappropriate and that its awareness of incidents are accurate. and the top judge on the secretive court that approves surveillance programs says judges aren't able to independently verify whether the government violates the law, saying they are, quote, forced to rely upon the accuracy of the information that is provided to the court. critics have been demanding more oversight. >> why is the government spying on its own people? >> reporter: and even prominent democrats are troubled. nancy pelosi called the new report extremely disturbing. congressman jim lanchovan deeply concerned. the trust seemed to widen after director of intelligence james clapper in a senate hearing last march. >> does the nsa collect any type of data on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> no

. >> diane feinstein claimed the nsa prevented attacks and there's no evidence that's the case, and tsalaimed it stopped plots that there's been no evidence, and what we know historically is the few would-be bombers and hijackers stopped were stopped by fellow passengers. we can protect ourselves, and we have to remember we have more power than we ever give ourselves credit for, and utilize it, and we'll be far safer under that basis. there was withdrawn over there, and then let's come over here. okay, do it the other way. >> i particularly conflicted on this matter because i usually like to evaluate both sides of an issue, and when i attend events like this, i always usually hear one side of it, and i would really like to hear you poke holes in the other side, and i'd like to use this opportunity to ask you a very specific question. what you just mentioned about, we don't know how many acts of terrorism have been thwarted, and therefore, i conclude none of them have been avoided, part of the security methodology is you find evidence and find an act of terrorism. it's counter productive

apparently diane feinstein revealed over about the last ten years, some people at the nsa who in the these people who could be potential lovers or things like that. that takes -- a lot of people are paranoid about the nsa having a lot of power. that takes it to a whole nother level, doesn't it? >> it does. every day we see another one of these stories, that sort of opens people's eyes to the extent at which the government could, if it wanted to, get into your personal life and see things about you that perhaps you don't want people to see. and i think as these stories continue to unfold, that this is going to continue to be a big issue politically. look for the libertarian side of both parties to be speaking out pretty strongly. >> brian: it is about relationships now and we do know they were exploring personal relationships of others, we thought we would weigh in and ask the people -- people weighing in on a different type of pick up lines that you could use now that the nsa is involved. for example, disco granny, hey, baby, you must be from hulu 'cause you're exactly what i've been

fly tochose tool washington, d.c., and he actually gets an audience with peter king or dianne diane feinstein, how do we think that he would be received if he had a private audience? we have seen how they reacted even when the truth comes out. it's been the truth, they try to hide it from the american people, we would have never known the truth. >> that was edward snowden's father, lon, appearing on abc's "this week." you can listen on your radio or online at c-span.org/c- spanradio. 6:30 p.m. tonight eastern time, we will take you to the family leaders that -- leadership summit in ames, iowa where rick santorum talked about the lyrical process and the republican party moving forward. again, that is tonight, 6:30 p.m. eastern time. >> mayor adrian fenty and council chairman vincent gray faced each other in one of the most contentious and expensive elections in d.c. recent history. fenty raised nearly $5 million. vincent gray only raised $1.2 million. but he won the public over as an affable and effective chairman. he beat fenty. shortly after gray took office in 2011, brown, who had also run

feinstein afterwards about that. that's what she said. she didn't want -- nobody else. just the two of them. no aides, nobody, not even dianeit is pretty amazing. >> bill: it is. she has that kind of respect for everyone. >> their relationship now, who the heck knows. >> bill: that's right. then there's amy klobuchar who is a real star. >> i know people hate to hear this, as the perfect vice presidential candidate. she's from a purple state. everybody likes her. she's got kind of a minnesota nice way about her. and you know, if you think about it, she's kind of a consumer champion. that's been her mark in the senate. not any of the big security issues or anything like that. but kind of chipping away to help families and consumers. >> bill: i'm very high on -- she's very smart. she really works hard. she really does deliver and she has a wicked sense of humor. all right. jill, so much fun to talk about these things with you. you've got it all covered here. thanks for coming in today. >> thanks for having me. >> bill: nationaljournal.com. you don't have to wait until jill comes back to follow her good work. go to nationaljour