i want to thank my co-counsel diane goodman and debbie rowe's counsel. he was just terrific and she was great and we handled this without a lot of fanfare, without a lot of back and forth. and it was done with the prudence and care that we always said we would do. at the end of the day, a lot of people have things to say about how lawyers do business. this was the classic case of doing it for the right reason. >> larry: anything you wanted you didn't get? >> no, we got everything we wanted. we wanted to make mrs. jackson the permanent guardian of the children today. that's what we were looking to have happen. >> larry: were the children there? >> no, the children were excused by the judge. >> larry: have you talked to them since? >> to the family? >> larry: to the kids. >> no, i have not had a chance to talk to the kids. they very much wanted their grandmother to be their permanent guardian. >> larry: what did you arrange with debbie rowe's lawyer? >> we arranged she would have under the appropriate type of supervision and care for the children an opport