thanks for joing us, i'm diane rehm.hur william is a craftsman who learned his trade from a man nicknad da vinci. this particular da vinci taught the age-old art of counterfeiting. under his telage williams went on to become one of the most skilled counterfitters of the last quarter century. his masterpiece, a perfect replica of what was once the most secure u.s. bank note ever made, the 1996 $100 bill. journalist jason kersten details the story of this master counterfeiter in a new boo it's titled "th art of making money." he joins me in the studio, i hope you'll jo us as well, call us on 800-433-8850. send us your e-mail to dr show at wamu.org. jason kersten, what a sry u've told. >> thank you. >> i must say in reading about his childhood i found myself thinking, this has got to be the most ghastly way a kid can be brought into this world one could ever imagine. talk about him as a young oy. >> well, that was one of the most surprising discoveriess i researched the book and got to know him better. he started out as qui

i'm diane rehm. >> the die yam rehm show is pro -- "diane rehm show" is produced by sandra, nancy, jonathan>> host: you've got really, really take deep breath when read this because some of the parts of it, i mean just boggles. >> guest: his dad was no go. such bad guy. >> host: oh, well --. >> and his sister. >> and his sister. you know. i didn't even want to get into that. >> in se ways she had it rougher than he did you know. becausee externalized all his sort of anger. >> would you sign that for me. >> sure. >> thanks. >> h invested that in what he did but she internalized all hat. >> absolutely. well, thajk you so much. i hope the book does well. [inaudible] >> that's a story in and of itself. he got an n an argumentith his son and his son got him busted. >> isn't that something. >> you said he broke all of these rules well, the one rule that got him was that. >> it's very much a father and son story in that regard. the ire next that -- irony that it comes back around to bite him. >> this north korean super currefcy book does that pass the bank? >> i thi it will. >> itill pass the bank