does there come a point though, diane swonk, when consumers get used to it? is it possible they could get so accustomed to washington hitting one of these moments when we know it's going to take days or weeks to figure it out? >> well, you know, we've seen washington turn a deaf ear to capitol hill and they didn't really -- sorry, wall street already turned a deaf ear to capitol hill where they didn't react initial they much to the government shutdown. but i think mark's very correct. it's unimaginable what would happen because the recession would be immediate and you would feel it very quickly. and i don't think consumers can ignore it forever. i think there's an inconvenience and if you're in one of these places you feel it right away and those consumers are workers who feel it right away, as the cab driver mark mentioned at the beginning of the show. so i don't think it's something you can completely turn a deaf ear to. that said, we are getting wary of this and i think everyone sort of feels that washington's cried wolf too many times. >> look, you know,