dick. 31 years later. long after taking office, the former halliburton chief faced his first controversy. >> cheney puts together a task force which included a lot of energy industry types. and there were a series of lawsuits to have these records and the meetings made public. cheney resisted. >> i have been around town for 34 years. time after time after time, administrations have traded away the authority of the president. we are not going to do that in this administration. >> the issue went to court. david adington was counsel to the vice-president. >> we were polite and told him it's not your business how the senior advisers give recommendation to the president. ultimately, that won in court. they chose not to appeal. >> politically speaking, it was a minor scrape. but it showed, good or bad, that cheney was not a man to give in to public pressure. soon, the white house and cheney would be tested as never before. [ grunting ] but that's how i like it. unattached, free, indep... i've changed my mind. ♪

dick. 31 years later.s first controversy. >> cheney puts together a task force which included a lot of energy industry types. there were a series of lawsuits to have these records and the meetings paid public. cheney resisted. >> i've been around town for 34 years. time after time, administrations have traded away the authority of the president to do his job. we are not going to do that. >> bret: the issue went to court. atington now council to the vice president. >> we were -- counsel to the vice president. >> we were polite, no it is not your person how recommendations are formed and given to the president. we won that in court and they chose not to appeal. >> bret: politically, it was a minor scrape. it showed good or bad, cheney was not a man to give into public pressure. soon the white house and cheney would be tested as never before. now get an incredible offer on the powerful c300 sport sedan. but hurry before this opportunity...disappears. the mercedes-benz summer event ends august 31st. but hurry

will dick cheney ever be on this show, will he? i very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very hope so some day. now it's time for "the ed show." good night. >>> good evening, americans and welcome to the "the ed show" live in from minneapolis. tonight a state of emergency has been declared in maryland. the president has signed an emergency declaration in north carolina. hurricane irene is getting ready to pound the east coast and we will have the latest with live reports and then there is the latest with the republican front-runner for the presidential nomination. the more we find out about rick perry, the less there is to like. this is "the ed show." let's get on work. >> i dislike washington. i think it's a shady place. >> tonight there, is more on rick perry's seed i record in texas. an expect report in "the huffington post" says rick perry's administration wanted to help wall street investors gamble on how long retired texas teachers would live. author of the report zach carter and our rick perr

. >>> dick cheney's memoirs go on sale tomorrow. tonight, joe wilson and valerie plaim join me to respond. >> it's going to take time to recover from a storm of this magnitude. >> the president gets a new crisis on top of the old crisis. >> that job's plan will probably include some tax cuts. >> i want people to you said this is not over. >> allen kruger who will be replacing goolsbee. >> the good news is the worst is over. >> of course, republican presidential candidates want you to believe they will do a better job. >> we have a category five economic disaster. >> i'm here to talk to you tonight about our lord and savior jesus christ. >> is that a sign from the lord? >> we've had an earthquake, we had a hurricane. >> we've been comparing this president for the almighty for long enough. >> politico headline is is rick perry dumb? >> he's not the brightest bulb in the box. >> you can call a napkin a car and it's not a car. >> house of representatives and intelligence in the same sentence. >> hurricane irene ends on the anniversary o

>> well, he felt like he needed dick cheney.ike without dick cheney, he wouldn't be able -- he wouldn't have cover for a lot of the decisions that george bush was making. understand, george bush comes out of there -- out of this with dick cheney really taking most of the heat for a lot of decisions that george bush made. it was comfortable to have dick cheney around and it make good sense to keep him there because he was kind of the lightning rod for all of the bad decisions that all of the republican administration made during those years. so i guess in a sense it was pretty clever. -- excuse me, lizz, go aed. >> no, go ahead, mike. >> well, what i wanted to say, i think what the truth here is the legacy that dick cheney's family has to live with. can you imagine being the children, the grandchildren, the family of dick cheney, and you have to live with that legacy. you have to live with the legacy of lies that actually ended up in the death of thousands of human beings for no good reason. you have to end up with lies that will

>> dick cheney's book. >> oh, my lord. he's been a dick cheney fan if years. >> yes.oud sound. >> so your husband who was covering these hurricanes suffering new the weekend covering these hurricanes. he's an investigative reporter. and you reward him with -- >> dick cheney's book. >> and you can get it signed for him. >> and stevie nicks tickets. >> you need to get it signed for him. i will get it, i will hug it, and i may even kiss the page where he signs it for my followers on twitter who call me awful names for saying nice things about dick cheney. >> i'm going to be here. >> no, because you're disrespectful. if he brings you cupcakes, you can ask him a question. >> okay. anyhow -- >> so the book got released, right? jamie had an amazing interview. >> she's so good. seriously. we've got a little bit of it here. after weeks of speculation, former vice president dick cheney's memoir hits booksters today. the book "in my time" has several jabs at members of bush white house members before cheney discussed his controversial remarks in a date line interview that aired

dick cheney has won the day on policy.is foreign policy he goes. >> i don't know if i would say he's won the day in terms of policy. if you look at the obama doctrine, it's not the same as the bush doctrine. we believe in freedom and independence, but we are not willing to do it alone. that's the trend. >> no, no, no. we are tripling the number of troops in afghanistan, everybody else is leaving. we are pulled into libya -- >> more than ever. >> we are pulled into libya and the french don't fight. the british run out of missiles in three days. we are fighting libya on our own. iraq, we are carrying that burden. we are bombing yemen. i guess -- they can say whatever they want to say but at the end of the day, their policies seem to be bush-cheney policies. >> you are right. one thing we have seen is the united states footprint has continued to grow under the obama administration. which technology has been altered. as far as the footprint, it's increased. one thing they are trying to realize is you are looking at iraq. they

obviously man who chose him after dick cheney led the search for the vice president, he chose dick cheney in this book about george w. bush? >> well, he does say throughout the book that the president was bold and courageous and decisive. but i think what will surprise a lot of people is dick cheney is known as a man of few words. the one guy in washington who would never write a book. >> right. >> but he does reveal private conversations. he does reveal times he thought the president made a mistake. and he does dispute key accounts about the shoot-down order on 9/11 and what happened on the eve of the iraq war. so, that's going to reignite more questions about who was in charge, who was running things -- >> who was the boss. >> -- you know, if george bush was the decider in chief, you certainly feel in this book that dick cheney was the adviser in chief. >> i wonder if he would embrace that role. now, we've talked a lot, some heavy stuff, criticism, condoleezza rice, his thoughts about george w. bush. this book is not totally without some humor and some lighter moments, fair? >> there ar

and the strengths of dick's book. first let me recall one point that i think we should not forget when we criticize kennedy on his readiness and compromise and negotiate with the russians and indeed in the end to accept -- accept the division of berlin and accept the division of germany. you should recall that all american presidents, whether democrat and republican have avoided confronting rush on security issues which russia has signaled it's important to it. in 1953 we did nothing to support the uprising of the gdr workers. 1956 we did not support the uprising of the hungarians and poles. in 1968, we did nothing when the soviets invaded czechoslovakia and in 2008, we didn't -- we did not confront with the russians on georgia. so this is -- it's kennedy's practices or reluctance to confront the russians was in many ways to be expected 'cause it fit in with presidential politics over five decades. and the second aspect of dick's book that is so stimulating has already been referred to by himself and his myth assessme

>>> the exclusive nbc news interview with dick cheney. when it came time to go to war, who was really the decider? >>> and a stunning moment from a stunning woman last night that got the country talking. "nightly news" begins now. captions paid for by nbc-universal television >>> good evening. irene hasn't been a hurricane since yesterday. and it's long gone by now. way up and over canada. but you would not believe the damage it's still unleashing over new england. this comes after it already chewed up the shoreline along the eastern seaboard. tonight, in the wake of irene, at least 37 people are dead. five million americans at least are without power from north carolina on up to maine. the estimates at damage begin at $2 billion and go up from there. with so many americans already in the dark from this, the danger tonight is rising floodwaters from upstate new york into new england. we begin tonight with jim cantore of the weather channel in lower bartonsville, vermont. and jim, not only did you grow up around there, last night you predi

joining me is dick armey and hillary rosen. dick armey, let me start with you. you were john boehner, how would you be feeling right now? >> oh, i'm sure john boehner feels very frustrated and unappreciated. you know, i know john well. john boehner understands the problem, what must be done, and the magnitude of it all. and he's having to negotiate with an incompetent white house and an indifferent senate with over half of his conference saying you've got to go further and another group saying, whiney, whiney, you're doing too much. and he's working very hard. he also understands that what we've got here is only a tow hold in the right direction. there's so much more work to do, and i imagine he's kind of wondering, will i get some others to pitch in with me for another round? and maybe if we all are trying to work forwatowards the same c objectives, maybe we can make progress. >> hillary rosen, do you agree with that? >> the reason john boehner didn't get more done is unfortunately people like dick armey were out there sending out e-mails to groups of conservat

dick cheney was a woman from early responsible for starting with war or for a real war of aggression turned very fine about the course of the supreme international crime differing from the war crimes only and so for as it continues to make a movie and it will go to the whole ok if you believe in evil whatever you want to torture to be kidnapping people to put into a black holes with pretty words and children which was a record so that's what the world progression on leash where we get the most likely to go eavesdropping ohl kinds of stuff mostly at the behest of dick cheney there was nobody to stand up to him but he doesn't seem to be you know denying his significant role in starting any of these things the reason for that is that our current president has chickened out and second on one side and what sentences from the look ahead when. it's as though you know somebody sort of can use the sort of million voters ok and he said well you know if it happened in the past we're just going to look ahead as a total total void and sort of criminal war and they should not be allowed and see it

dick cheney was the one from early responsible for storing war or for real war of aggression. defined by of course it's the supreme international crime differing from other world crimes only and so for as it contains the accumulated evil with the whole case humiliating people were going to be without torture kidnapping would be putting people with black holes with code words with children much worse with requests so that's what they were progression of beliefs would be a mystical illegal eavesdropping all kinds of stuff mostly at the behest of dick cheney there was nobody to stand up to him but he doesn't seem to be you know denying his significant role in starting many of these things the reason for that is that our current president has chickened out and speaking out on one side and what sentences from the look ahead when. it's as though you know something he's so key was sort of making burgers ok and then he said well you know if it happened in the past we're just going to look ahead this is a total total avoid some sort of criminal war and they should not be allowed to see

so dick cheney doesn't believe that this impacted our reputation i was however one of the statements like this but in pakistan i could have well to the degree they're not contradictory to our i don't know what he said after that but you know when he was interviewing interviewing cheney's boss bush and he said do you still think torture is right and bush said well my lawyer said it was all right and i left it at that you know so you have to chop and change people when i challenged him i'm still in public in atlanta i was i was called immediately very high person and c.n.n. saying she was free and i said. if you're asking me if i. actually was a real hard you know you might want to do your homework good questions a real question as some sort of real question you'll find it's a real high try something. interesting i want to talk now about another book that's getting ready to come out this one written by a former f.b.i. agent ali soufan who's having a different sort of problem his now war it's called the leak they are the inside story of nine eleven and the war against al qaeda he lays o

oh, dick. among other things, cheney goes after colin powell again, after condoleezza rice, again, and rights he thought it would be a good idea to bomb a nuclear plant in syria. regrets? he seems to have nun in respect may be controversy over how good rick perry's economic record is. we can agree he's number one in one area. executions. 234 in 11 years. that's more than the next two states combined, since 1976. true, texas is big, but as perry wrote in his book, if you don't support the death penalty and citizens packing a pistol, don't come to texas. and the sarah palin-karl rove smackdown goes another round. rove says palin has an enormous thick skin. gets upset if you speculate about her and if you don't. finally, both sides now. mitt romney weighs in on both sides of two more issue, that's in the "sideshow." we start with the latest on hurricane irene. for that we go to the weather channel. >>> i'm charl parker at the weather channel. we have a life threatening event. this storm will be de

looks good if he's attacking dick cheney and there's nothing dick cheney can say now that will redeemntation and george bush with the american public. >> you mentioned the nbc news interview with jamie gangel, and the decision to go into iraq is sharply differ from the one offered by his boss, president bush. let me play this for you. >> president bush writes, i turned to the team gathered in the oval office and said, let's go. you write, the president kicked everyone else out of the oval office, looked at me and said, dick, what could you think we ought to do? >> that's the way i recall it. >> lynn sweet, reacted to what you just heard? >> gets the story straight pup don't know. we weren't there. you have two of the principals in the room. i wish we had the video or audiotapes to straighten this out. something about the bad old days. we don't know. i think until one really goes through all the books and does more interviews as time goes on to see if there's any way of being more conclusive about this fact, it's what it -- you know, somebody telling history. what the former vice presi

dick cheney's book is about to hit book shelves. next. >>> "new york times" got an advance copy of former vice president dick cheney's memoir, an assignment which i hope included a hardship pay bonus. according to the writup on the book, cheney gives reader a vision of the world in which he was a lone courageous visionary, surrounded by cowards and imbeciles. he said george tenet's decision to resign when, quote, the going got tough, was unfair to the president. he takes credit for helping to push out secretary of state colin powell after the 2004 election. and he throws secretary of state condoleezza rice under the bus for trying to get a nuclear weapons agreement with north korea. even throws in a condescending line about how she, quote, came into my office, sat down in the chair next to my desk, and tearfully admitted i had been right. he also defends torture, or what he calls tough interrogations. >> if you're view, we should still be using enhanced interrogation? >> yes. >> no regrets? >> no regrets. >> should we still be water

use the presidents that women were present in the story were and so george tenet but the hist of dick cheney served up what the senate intelligence committee later called intelligence that was uncorroborated contradicted and sometimes nonexistent now let's not exist in the thousands look like this it's always the case for dick cheney and it got us into trouble deep in the middle east and the insane just hang on to candy for us for one more question on it not just a book that that's going on here at dick cheney is now making the rounds i think mostly on n.b.c. it seems like he's defending his book promoting it and i want to take a look at just a piece of an interview he did this morning with n.b.c.'s matt lauer on that show and given the fact that it severely damaged our reputation around the world and there were no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction you still think it's worth it you know sure i don't. think that damage our reputation around the world i just don't believe that i think you know the critics or don't want to argue that but in fact i think it was sound policy that d

they should call it the dick army brigade or the dick cheney cheerleaders. host: good morning. caller: i just have to say i hope of the memoirs cover his time as chief of staff under ford, because i do think he was a very respectable and very well regarded public servant at least at that time period. i have to say i have been hearing a lot of the callers, and i do think this man has created a lot of animosity. i would just like to let people know that just judging by how the past four presidents are regarded on the opposition, it is pretty hard to run this country, and it is pretty hard for everyone to be satisfied with the job that you do. i think he was more difficult than he could have been. i think he could have been a little more accommodating to people, particularly what was going on in 2000 with their recounts. i never understood why they did not just let all of the votes being recounted. it is neither here nor there. the fact is he is just an ailing man who wants to give his side of the story, and i honestly can understand why it would be very difficult to him to feel a

they should call it the dick army brigade or the dick cheney cheerleaders. host: good morning.aller: i just have to say i hope of the memoirs cover his time as chief of staff under ford, because i do think he was a very respectable and very well regarded public servant at least at that time period. i have to say i have been hearing a lot of the callers, and i do think this man has created a lot of animosity. i would just like to let people know that just judging by how the past four presidents are regarded on the opposition, it is pretty hard to run this country, and it is pretty hard for everyone to be satisfied with the job that you do. i think he was more difficult than he could have been. i think he could have been a little more accommodating to people, particularly what was going on in 2000 with their recounts. i never understood why they did not just let all of the votes being recounted. it is neither here nor there. the fact is he is just an ailing man who wants to give his side of the story, and i honestly can understand why it would be very difficult to him to feel as

let's just be clear about what it is that dick cheney did.rectly participated by his own boastful account in the implementation of a domestic spying program that subjected thousands of americans on u.s. soil to have their emails read and telephone calls listened to by government agents, without the warrants required by the criminal law. the institution of the worldwide torture is he went way beyond waterboarding and included a whole variety of techniques that the u.s. has constantly prosecuted other people and other nations for using. and according to general barry mccaffrey, it was one whereby we, quote, murdered dozens of people in our custody. and then he was the driving force behind a war of aggression, an attack on iraq, that ended the lives of at least 100,000 innocent human beings, and far more. and what is so troublesome is exactly what you just said, which is we decided now to treat those like simple policy disputes, like mistakes that he made, rather than what they are, which is among the most serious and egregious crimes committed

former clinton adviser dick morris is back. welcome back. >> good to be here. >> sean: 55% approval, how do you get him reelected? >> you don't. 27% of the people that voted for barack obama now do not approve of him. 13% actively disapprove of him. the statistics are more dramatic than that. the people were asked who approve of obama, what do you think of him? 34% of them said we are disappointed in him. but not yet to the level of disapproval. obviously, his disapproval is going to mount. his approval will drop. when you look in particular at his base vote, like latinos, two years ago he had an 85% approval among hispanics. now it is down to 44%. his rating among young people has dropped by the same order of magnitude. ratings among african-americans remain high. but, you are talking about a man whose potential for reelection is slipping away, as we speak. >> sean: we've been following the independent numbers closely. 27% of democrats not wanting to vote for him for reelection is astounding. i said let me make a comparison to

dick cheney's new memoir is out this week. it reminds us of the old politic he is served up with the bitter charge that democrats were willing to ignore the threats out there. he's trying to keep that alive. >> if you try to walk away from pakistan or after dwan stan or that part of the world generally i'm fearful that we're headed for trouble down the road. i don't think we need to run for the exit. chris: but chaney's -- but cheney's party isn't there anymore. listen to the reception that ron paul got a few years ago. here he is in 2007. >> if we understand that 70% or so of the people in america want the war over with and want our troops to come home. third, senator clinton -- [audience booing." >> i say stay out of their internal business, don't get involved in the wars, bring our troops home. [cheering]. >> you don't hear that in these speeches this month from michele bachmann and mitt romney. >> we can never commit our troops to harm's way without a clear and vital american interest. we use overwhelming force and then we

that's going on right now no to say yes i would have sat there and like dick cheney giants i said ha ha you take your battery out is that what you want me to say no i think we're really really big. you just wonder does not go through some people like i mean cos he's for example death to dick cheney apparently you know i think that ok we're talking about i want to overload are going to air all right but real lives through somebody. who is also old and who wants. be the president and who has had this happen to him that's take a look. at the rate. of all your current through the snow you know. ok so newt gingrich i believe was the first one to get glitter bombed for his anti-gay views because then we saw a lot of programs that are bought and happened we saw michele bachmann was that santorum to the political yeah i think so marcus bachmann her husband's office. ok iran has the best you barbarians the gates. spoke about on friday but now gingrich basically wrote a letter to the new york times and told them that he thinks that glitter bombing is an assault and should be treated the such b

we didn't elect dick cheney as president.elected george bush. >> it's not just that, cheney making it clear he had no intention of backing off some of his controversial policies take water boarding for instance. let's listen. >> you know though if we were to conduct a poll in this country right now and ask people if water bofrding is torture, the vast majority of people would say it is. >> i would argue, matt, that it's important for us not to get caught up in the notion that you can only have popular methods of interrogation if you want to run an effective counterterrorism program. the fact is it worked. we learned valuable information from that process and we kept the country safe for seven years. >> regardless of everything that's been said about water boarding all the criticism there, let's leave the last question with you. what do you have tokz about what cheney's comments were? >> first of all, it goes back to the last question, mccain opposed water boarding as i recall and thought it was torture. cheney thinks it's fin

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it gives a lot of the mentality of dick cheney. the politics of it, though, is, i think he will remind a lot of americans what we want to get away from. i think this is good for president obama and on that side of the political aisle. we need somebody to remind america why we wanted to get away from the bush-cheney era. if i was a republican candidate, i wouldn't want right at this time, you have to deal with the persona of dick cheney now being the story. i think politically, i couldn't have timed it better if i was the one that was engineering this as a democrat. >> what about that from colin powell. "the new york times" got an advanced copy. he goes after colin powell for expressing regrets about the iraq war. >> i think it's clear, dick cheney, above all else, he was a loyalist to the president. i'm not sure any republican candidates are worried about what dick cheney is doing right now. none of them had very strong bush ties. i don't think this reflects at all on them. it's years later. i think dick cheney is a little sick and

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dick, i'm watching this whole thing unfold. i saw that little smile can you recall on the -- curl on the edges of governor perry's mouth. i teed this up. the president hit it, and i love this moment. to me, he seemed like he was having fun. >> his goal has to be to get a rise out of obama and obama certainly helped his candidacy by attacking him. as you watch obama you wonder if he isn't more afraid of romney than anybody else -- let me on the substance say i agree with governor perry. the idea that because most of his comment was the calling of bernanke treasonous for money supply if he does it gone. i don't think it's treasonous but it's horrific. $1 trillion sitting unused in banks. 800 trillion sitting unused in corporations. people have paid down the debts by 400 billion. nobody is spending any money. nobody is investing. nobody is lending. printing another trillion isn't going to do a single thing except gee base the currency. >> laura: people like john and the "new york post" and karl rove and a few others have said look

president dick cheney and former president george w. bush should be right now on trial that they should be prosecuted for your. crimes seriously let's look at sort of the fact that he isn't being asked about many of those crimes or that somebody asked him he says i fully defended and there's not a whole lot of kickback not a whole lot of pushback there i don't think that you think difficult you describe our culture you described our political culture in particular we do not whole elitists and anyone who treats the oval office or thereabouts is an elitist by definition responsible we say something like this at least since world war two we've said something like this they help our they do the best they could they raped pillaged and plundered everything else but they do the best they could. also go there because if we go there in the future people. i want to serve or my counter to that is my students at william and mary george washington and everywhere else i go good students say do that and we might serve we see the impunity of these peop

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thought of course a guy would have thought dick cheney the guy on this but i mean some of you really do want to share our kind was like you can say anything or should i just let it show just wait and see. ok five fairly i'm the only one that actually wants to do happy hour. as opposed to just you know you're right but they don't want to say yes i would have sat there and like dick cheney diets i said ha ha you took your battery out is that what you want me to say no i was going to be really big. you just want to go through some people like i mean coffee's for example that the dick cheney apparently you know i'm that ok we're talking about i would never let a guy i mean chair all right like real live through somebody. who is also older and who wants to be the president and who has had this happen in the past take a look. at the right. thing here something like oh the boy they are going through this know this you know. ok so newt gingrich i believe was the first one to get glitter bombed for his anti-gay views because then we saw a lot of coverage sort of on happened we saw michele bac

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thank you, dick cheney.l up and article 8 of all possible from may 7, 2004? it is from the new york times. >> tell us more about the peace. >> it connection dick cheney to this day and down that was made. for some strange reason, i think another reason, he placed a standout order on any form of those aircraft. those involved on the morning were destroyed about four or five months later. this was a heinous crime committed against the united states. they want to question why the videotapes are destroyed. the connection is, prior to them coming to the vice presidency, he had been under investigation for accounting fraud. what was revealed is that halliburton was in the red and the stock shares, that was the accounting fraud. it seems to me to be a major conflict of interest to have a man that does business. they have a vested interest in the of asian because of the profiteering that has gone on. he needed an event, he needed something to occur that would allow the expansion of the business activity with the gov