like this poor guy dick baker who i said i forgot to google to find out. he might even be in the room. whether he's still around. him making that quote about visitors, right, which is what i think a lot of people think but no curator is officially going to say something like, people think they're in the white house, you know. they don't understand where the art is and therefore it's fine to not let them see it. let me answer the question kind of in another sort of slightly indirect way that relates to pursaco's discovery. i understand from the curator and some of the documents i found that they wanted to remove that and the other, the greenhouse rescue for a long time. but they weren't quite sure how to do it. right. once the curator or anybody, the architect at the capitol starts moving art around the building or start taking it out, you kind of open up a can of worms, right, you don't do that. what circumstances were they removed? in '58 they began the renovation project and the it was moved forward and everything had to be removed in order for the disma

baker, dan coats, al simpson, chuck hagel. i could go down the list of republicans who were basically in the center, some more right to the center, including dickney, and now his daughter who is serving in the house. but that was basically a party that respected the rule of law, and we have not seen the rule of law take place in the last four years. we've seen a person who wanted to be not only antigovernment but anti-governance. there is no sense of governance. he was going to control everything, and tried to political -- and tried to politicize the three independent branches we have. lisa: let's look at joe biden's presidency going forward and what his biggest challenges are going to be, now that we've put the trumpcare behind us. it is no longer a vote for the anti-trump, but what biden is actually going to do. what is your biggest concern or hope for his presidency? william: my hope is that he will get the coronavirus under control, because without getting control of that, and developing some herd immunity through the vaccination program, i don't think there is an economy that can survive. i don't think there is a president that can survive