. >> in fact, dick bova was saying just that. this company has a clear a high hurdle because goldman sachs was up by $8 yesterday and yet today still in positive territory. >> by 70 cents or so. second quarter earnings $4.93 a share sharply ahead of expect agricultures. revenue up 46% year over year, better than expected $13.8 billion. mary thompson is on the conference call and will be back with the latest in a little bit u but you look at all the year over year oppose profit and positive revenue came from trading and principal investments, a lot of competitors are gone. >> that makes it a much different field than it was. yesterday, we talked with meredith whitney. she said you're watching the municipal bond business as states and localities have to raise money to do these things. when you talk a dick bova and jeff hart this morning, they both say over the long term, it could be fits and starts but they're positive on this stock. jeff was saying $1.8 o dick bova was talking about 200, maybe up to 250. >> maybe the only bank in