ironically dick nixon a relatively conservative president was willing to do health care. we blew it with carter and kennedy not getting along. we blew it with the clintons not getting along with some people on capitol hill like jim cooper of tennessee. we deep blowing it. the inability to share the responsibility of dealing with health care. will the president going around the country and going on television the next couple weeks change that climate enough to get this thing through? >> look, i absolutely believe that -- i sometimes think we're getting played here a little bit. you know, we've created this drama that he's struggling to get this done, and there's no doubt, this is a tough -- the tough road ahead for members of congress, and they're struggling, and they don't want to vote for this thing, and they're nervous about it. they don't know what it's going to look like a year from now and they're worried about explaining how, guess what, that health care reform bill we passed, you won't feel it for three or four years. they're nervous about this whole thing. but, chris, 15 years ago we ha