i'm staying. >> larry: is dick cheney staying? >> oh, yeah. yeah, dick's staying. yeah. yeah, i think -- yeah, he is, yeah. >> larry: i don't think you two are allowed in the same place anymore is that right? >> really? >> larry: well, that's what i hear. >> well, it's true. i never know where dick cheney is you know? if i'm the decider, he was the hider. seriously. i never know where he is these days. there's -- larry, there's days where i'm sitting in the oval office i walk out to the hallway and yell "marco?" >> larry: now in your cabinet you're standing by donald rumsfeld as secretary of defense. >> uh-huh, absolutely. absolutely. i have absolute faith in our secretary of defense. look, rumpy, people don't know he's doing a good job. people don't talk about the progress that we're making in iraq. i think it's so important to remember that iraq has now had free elections. not expensive ones like here in america. it's a big difference. and we're rebuilding iraq, larry. and we will continue to rebuild iraq. otherwise there will be a space between iran and jordan. >> lar

dick cheney and his arrogant daughter have run around this country for the last 18 months, screaming about how president obama is making us less safe. the cheneys, i think, don't have the character to give this president the credit that he deserves, or this country, when we get a victory on fighting terrorism. and if you're thinking about voting in the mid terms, let's just get it on. because you can go with the republicans who side with wall street, who side with big oil, who protect big insurance, and claim to have a lock on the market when it comes to protecting the country. and their silence is absolutely deafening. i bet it just tore up mitch mcconnell today to go to the floor of the senate and just make a couple of words for the record. but the sound chamber is what counts. that's who is leading the republican party, and they can't stand the fact that the due diligence, the cross checking of the agencies, which we didn't have during the bush administration, got the job done. and they paid attention to what people were saying. tell me what you think about this in our television s

president, even a strong muscular vice president in the case of, if you will be the vies presidency of dick cheney. even in that case you're not president. and so there are burdens of the presidency which you can only really shoulder when you are president. so is it realistic to assume that day one the president is going to have all the right answers? is it realistic on any day to have the right answer? what i think it will be interesting for all of us to watch is the extent to which barack obama shares his learning process with the public. because, you know, he is after all if you look at his training and you read his memoir, he is a man who does learn and who believion. >> what do you hope to bring to the table with your new jfk book and when will we see it? >> i have to say -- you'll see it as soon as i finish it. my publisher might be watching. i will be getting more into it. i just started the research. i'm getting more into it in the next couple of years. there's a lot of things about john f. kennedy that has become available to the public in the last few years. i believe that with the excep

george bush and dick cheney prove that. host: from "the pittsburgh post- gazette," "pakistani american man confesses in new york bomb suspect case." here is the front page of "the houston chronicle," during a decade in the u.s. "he lived under the radar. a quiet, average guy, now a terror suspect. " back to the front page of "the new york times," "the friends and foes of obama are treading lightly at this point. if you who have criticized the administration's handling, the ranking republican said that he did not understand why the justice department touted the failure of the attack when they arrested the suspect as a win for law enforcement. "our strategy cannot be near misses and calling them successes." montana, independent line. hello. caller: i agree with in the last couple of callers a specially. richard reid, the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, i was kind of expecting to see a bra bomber with those new resonance scanners they're talking about. i thought maybe that is what is next. host: what about the charging of t

guest: we got 10 minutes into this without dick cheney being brought up.hink we are setting new records with regard to that. it is difficult to address the promise of your question. there is so much to it. all i will just say this. i would guess the people who have a vested interest in getting this passed have had representation up here and have spoken to national leaders about that interest. as the government grows bigger and lobbyists grow more numerous, and they tried to see who they can get, maybe try to get advantage of another company -- that is part of the problem with big government. this town, under barack obama, it is swarming with more lobbyists than ever before. they are all over capitol hill. the head of the nci you -- seiu apparently has a permanent pass to go in and out. i guess that is a good thing, it is ok, but whether they are good or bad, they are numerous, they come to public officials about things that affect their lives. always have, always will. that is not a bad thing, in and of itself. and i have not heard all what about the issue

i don't think dick cheney pushed the nation to war to make money for halliburton.e thought it would make america safer. he was not wrong because he had a profit motive, but the cabecae had this notion to demonstrate strength. the fact is, most understand we are powerful. they are not attacking as because they think we are weak. if you look get poll after poll of why we are so hated in parts of the world is because they think we're big bullies. we have these massive embassies in their countries, the troops deployed on their soil. it is not that we are too weak, but too on the present around the world. we could improve national security by reducing visibility abroad. by being less involved in regional disputes and a base where there are no winners. if you get involved and the israeli-palestinian dispute, you cannot win that. someone will hate you at the end. there is no way to make everyone happy. is there a real benefit for the u.s. to be so heavily involved around the world and inserting how powerful we are? i would say no. the national strategy based on restraint,

mitch mcconnell, dick cheney, rick santorum, it goes that far right that his support is, but it's not for the tea party people. there is a human sacrifice, a purification campaign going on in the republican party. he is a victim. rand paul, son of ron paul is going to win the primary and then he will lose the election in the fall. it serves the tea party people right. it should be a lesson to the republican party not to go that far right. all the tea party people doing is narrowing the republican base and not good for them. >> shannon: all right. charles, a big race that carl previewed for us, sestak and specter. >> specter, democrat -- >> democrat, republican, democrat. >> sometimes, some days forget what he is. in a couple of speeches he did. running against admiral joe sestak, member of the house. running on his left sestak is ahead in the polls. lately run one of the great ads in american history where he showed bush endorsing specter in 2004 i think, in the last election, which is devastating to the democratic state like thathat. i will go against the grain and say specter i thin

they were excused from having that in a 2003 meeting with dick cheney in which he said -- he absolved industry from installing the safety devices in its offshore rigs. they also didn't have a dope-well valve, apparently, which is another valve that is 200 feet below the surface of the sand, another fail safe device they could have used to shut off the pipe. apparently, bp was also drilling beyond its permit limitations. it was permitted to go down to 18,000 feet but we have information indicating they were as deep as 25,000 feet, which would have been a violation of permit. unfortunately, bp now concentrating on limiting its liability by making statements blaming transocean but also by circulating large numbers of operatives throughout the communities from the louisiana coast, alabama coast, to get fishermen and other people in impacted by this to this -- by the spill to sign limb times liability for payments between $1,000 and $5,000. and we think -- instead of doing that, they should be installing absorbent booms up and down the coast, which they have failed to do to date. >> james,

he stopped listening to dick cheney and started to listen to other people but presidents also when they get to the end of the last term begin to think of legacy. i think george w. bush is a decent man progress many decent people do, they truly think that some people need to be won over but the truth is historic three have seen some people cannot be. you did not want to win over the nazis or fascist italians are japanese broker you had to defeat them. when he shifted into the framework. we also had eight years of a constant pounding on him for the perfect response after september 11th. his strategy of taking iraq and afghanistan and seven -- is managing iran was brilliant but he effectively drop the ball in the last 18 months of his administration which is why we're still in afghanistan and why for some reason the three stooges and of the middle east, the one i'd shake and the doctor are still wandering around. there should be victory and war as opposed to management and unfortunately, i have a lot of respect for george bush for his response immediately after september 11th but i do see

i went to bunker, and lynne and dick cheney were there and condi rice. and lynne came over to me and said the plane that had flown in the pentagon had circled the white house. and then george got there and came in. and we hugged. i don't really remember what we said to each other. i think we just hugged each other, and we knew we were safe and our girls were safe, but, you know, all we could think about were the hundreds and thousands of people who couldn't say the same about their loved one. >> larry: the secret service want you'd to sleep underground at the white house. george wanted to sleep in his own bed, though. >> that's right. >> larry: because? >> because he knew he had to get some sleep. and that he just needed to sleep that night. because we both knew what lay before us. everything had changed. it changed for his presidency and for our country. >> larry: read from this, a selection here about that night. >> so he had said, you know, we're going to sleep upstairs in the bedroom, but if you need to, come get us. so that night, i could hear someb

whitman has been endorsed by well-known national republicans like dick cheney and mitt romney. until recently, her nomination was considered a sure thing. >> with goldman saks whitman invested heavily. >> in the blitz of advertising that has dominated this race. >> whitman's entire fortune is intertwine goldman sex. >> ifill: her reputation took the hit when poizner high lated her decald old member on the board of tarnished wall street giant goldman sachs. >> goldman executives donated over $100,000 to whitman. >> ifill: the high decibel aad aad war kick mood overdrive after the state of arizona launched its own crackdown on illegal immigration. poizner made it issue number one. >> who has the courage and values to stand up to illegal immigration. >> not liberal meg whitman, she supports obama's am nestny plan. >> ifill: whitman's whose poll numbers sliped-- slipped struck ba back. >> behind in the polls poizner decided to stop telling the truth. steve poizner, desperate, dishonest app way more liberal than he says he is. >> ifill: whitman advertisers say she is bouncing back b

>> i think he stopped listening to dick cheney and started listening to other people but presidents when they get to the end of the last term began to think of legacies. i think george w. bush is a decent man and i think as many of these people do, they truly think that some people just simply need to be won over. the truth of the matter is historically we have seen some people can't be. he didn't want to win over sanofi and you couldn't win over the fascist or the japanese. when george bush shifted into that framework, look we also had eight years of the constant pounding on him for the, i think perfect response after september 11. i think his strategy of taking iraq and afghanistan and sandwiching iran was brilliant. that he really effectively dropped the ball i i think in the last 18 months of his administration, which is why are we are still in afghanistan. at it is why for some reason the three stooges of the middle east, bin laden, the one i'd shake and-- are still wandering around. there should be victory in a war, as opposed to management, and unfortunately, i think and i have a

dick cheney and donald rumsfeld, some of the smartest individuals in washington. host: we will leave it there. more on that meeting between president obama and senate republicans yesterday. "lunch marked by a spirited conversations. whether he could count on support on any issues was left open to question, including imposing new sanctions on iran. his less private meeting was in january of 2009 when he was newly inaugurated. partisan tensions have only grown since the aftermath of health care and most recently the overhaul of rules governing banks." louisiana, democratic line. good morning. caller: i do not be -- i do not live very far from the gulf coast. this is a republican state. they cannot have it both ways. it looks like the only time i want the government to step in is when they can benefit. that is all i have to say. people are very hypocritical. host: tony, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. people are thoroughly brainwashed, accepting this artificial by the in the two- party system. -- artificial divide in this two party system. going

we would have been out of the conflict if someone else had not been supporting dick cheney and georgeuch a tragic misadventure, probably the most defining vote in our national security during those eight years of that administration. >> that is your time. living on, i want to ask you about something you have recently been -- moving on, i want to ask you about something you have recently been quoted on. you said your own pockets -- the most undemocratic place there is. there are times i cannot find out what is going on. is the party of no consequence to you? and at john f. kennedy said it best. sometimes party asks too much. >> john f. kennedy said it best. sometimes party asks too much. i am not getting the support of the establishment that asks me to sit down. i honestly believe, like i did in the navy, like i am doing now, that ultimately it is about democratic principles. i understand why they had to -- when he could not win that primary -- say we now have the 60th vote. what did acting as? he is the junior senator from pennsylvania? -- what did that gain us? they denied him his se

there have been a number of republicans that oppose this law, including people like dick cheney. i think it is important to differentiate between folks. i would never want to categorize all people in a political party as being the same. we are a very diverse nation. it is important to remember that. however, what we have seen in arizona is an immediate drop off of folks coming to vacation. we have seen 23 cancellations of conventions. we have already lost about $16 million. it is estimated that phoenix will lose $90 million in revenue, and just this year, from lost tourism and lost conventions. we are very concerned up the economic impact on our state, especially in states like arizona that relies so heavily on tourism. host: next up is utica, ohio, robert. caller: for starters, i support the arizona law. if they include in this reform of clause that states that if you are found in the country illegally, you will be fingerprinted and deported and never allowed citizenship. all the viewers pedigree, call your congressman, i have. -- that agree, call your congressman. i have. guest

joining me now is the former deputy assistant to dick cheney for national security affairs, steven yatesnational advisory. steven, certainly we believe there were some activities that took place here in the united states, but it may have actually been hatched by the pakinstani taliban, and eric holders and others have said there is a connection. what did happen here? the purchase of fireworks, legal in many states. the purchase of further lieser, certainly legal. and three pakinstani men who had jobs, who lived here, virtually undetected. the question i have is, was such a broad spectrum of background and such a low cost in terms of conducting a plot that could have been successful, are we closer than we were to being able to root out these suspected terrorists or is it just getting too big for our reach? >> excellent set-up to the question because this problem is very, very difficult. i think any reasonable person has to acknowledge that. but there are some things that we're doing that are making it harder for ourselves, in my view. number one, we have a hard time clearly identifying wh

influenced by dick cheney, but george bush, who hijacked the republican party with money. i think it is a very dangerous battle and we need to stop it. texas needs to be put on hold. go back to the regional history. it is we the people. thank you. host: on twitter this morning -- you can join us on twitter. indianapolis on our independent line. caller: i do not know how you can control it. the texas school board can pass and write anything they want. how do you control individual teachers? housecoat you think it is a moot point? -- housecoat you think it is a moot point? -- host: you think is a moot point? caller: how do you control it? host: as a result of their stories, there were certain things found in the riding. -- writing. from "the new york times" -- courts should give high levels of the french only to decisions made by top aides. a change that would create incentives to route more decisions to the front office where political appointees work. dallas, texas. caller: write in your back -- this is always in our backyard. i do not think politics should play a part in

let's go back about eight years ago when dick cheney and his big oil buddies had backdoor meetings andave the oil people everything that they wanted, and they deregulated the offshore drilling to a point where they were free to do anything they wanted. we are seeing the results now. host: james richardson? guest: again, i'm not sure exactly how much deregulation occurred. there is no doubt that the offshore drilling has been a boom for oil companies. it has been an area to go. it has also been a source of energy for the country. in works both ways. the companies have prospered from it and the country has enjoyed some additional energy from it. now, is there any regulation that would have stopped this accident from happening in i don't know. i don't know if anybody knows right now because i don't know if anybody really knows exactly what happened down there. certain certainly, if b.p. had not done somethi something, hthis spill would no have handled, or did it? so i'm not sure we can say if there is any regulation that would have stopped this from happening unless you are saying we real

and i cannot remember the author, but a washington post writer that was called "the angler" about dick cheneyguest: an outstanding book. caller: what kept coming up his book is how cheney was a master at establishing a kind of an inside the agencies in washington. it and what i'm kind of picking up is there is a lot of carry over that we are seeing today in some of the actions that are now being taken by the obama administration. when you have such a right cleaning establishment going on for eight years, the baseline, the 50 yard line, is it really 50 yards? can you tell me about how old yo think there is has affected the obama agenda, and thank you so guest: that is an excellent point. there will always be some tension between the political appointees at the top of the agencies and the career people. they came and under the bush administration. how that playsut might make it not a 50-yard line deal. i did do with how they want to centralize power in the white house. we have not talked about the real tension between the president and the pentagon brass in afghanistan. host: we have to talk ab

you to look into the energy policy that was put into place behind closed doors by vice president dick cheneyand the courts did not allow us -- we did not know who they met with and all that stuff. when they say what comes out of the ground goes up for sale -- on the sale -- what do they mean? thank you. guest: lemme try to respond on the last question first. when oil is produced, it is refined or sold on the world market. that is probably what was meant by people who are suggesting what ever comes out of the ground wind up being sold on the world market for commodities. that's just the way that occurs. as far as the secret meetings that are alleged to have occurred with former vice president cheney, i think those were in connection with trying to develop an overall energy approach. the administration then sent us something that was more of a brochure that said this is the kind of thing that the bush administration thinks should be pursued in an energy policy. i think most of what was in that is pretty well known. it was heavily focused on more production. there was very little attention to i

more convinced of their sincerety about public safety if they were to prosecute george bush and dick cheneyor the mass murder of over 1 million iraqis for oil and profit and when they start prosecuting wall street criminals and people from b.p. and stuff like that. these people are decidedly more dangerous to this nation in terms of our long-term safety, internationally, our public health and safety. and they totally impact the lives of every human being in this country by just one act of right now polluteing the coast. host: going to move on to will you have begin, texas. james on our line for independents. welcome to the "washington journal." caller: good morning. certainly enjoy c-span shows in the early morning. but you seem to be somewhat confused between a data recorder and an emergency locater transmitter. i think you ever

under the bush administration, dick cheney expanded executive powers more than any other time we haven. nobody stood up to keep that from happening. guest: the supreme court -- i have faith in it. that is one of the great bulwarks of our system. you had jim cliburn yesterday say on "meet the press" most of the laws they pass on not authorized by the constitution. the supreme court can only roll on the case in front of it. they can only roll up or down on the constitutionality of a law that is challenged. it happens only in a narrow every of cases. i am astounded by all of the callers' refusal to question the unprecedented power grab of this administration and congress in taking over the automobile industry. no congress, president in history has ever attempted to take over the healthcare system as this one has. it is unprecedented. to tell you you have to buy health insurance. it will alternately result in the collapse of the private insurance market. that is unprecedented. there is no basis for the congress or president to require you to buy health insurance. we want to return sanity

and i cannot remember the author, but a washington pos writer that was called "the angler" about dick cheney. guest: an outstanding book. caller: what kept coming up in his book is how cheney was a master at establishing a kind of an inside the agencies in washington. it and what i'm kind of picking up is there is a lot of carry over that we are seeing today in some of the actions that are now being taken by the obama administration. when you have such a right cleaning establishment going on for eight years, the baseline, the 50 yard line, is it really 50 yards? can you tell me about how old you think tre is has affected the obama agend and thank you so guest: that is an excellent point. there will always be some tension between the political appointees at the top of the encies and the career people. they came and under the bush administration. how that plays out might make it not a 50-yard line deal. i did do with how they want to centralize power in the white house. we have not talked about the real tension between the president and the pentagon brass in afghanistan. host: we have to talk

an inquiry a while back on how did they expand -- can be the same thing against bush, rumsfeld, dick cheneylike the previous caller said, can we bring indictments to find out how this happened? trying to close some of the bases. guest: i do not think they are talking about indictments. we know that they were over extended. 150 countries in the world where we have an active-duty military presence. it strains the force of a strong military. of what are we doing with -- " we are doing, i would start with -- what we are doing, i would start with pulling out the military from overseas. host: even a casual observer to the whole base closing and realignment would see that that seems to be a painful and slow process as far as agreeing of what to close and then closing it. guest: i am not a great fan, but that is one thing that robertson got done. convincing congress to put a set -- put the sale of of money into the surplus -- put the same amount of money into the surplus, yielding more jobs. surplus, yielding more jobs. host: pa., the morning. caller: i agree with the callers. you kind of blew off

and i cannot remember the author, but a washington post writer that was called "the angler" about dick cheney. guest: an outstanding book. caller: what kept coming up in his book is how cheney was a master at establishing a kind of an inside the agencies in washington. it and what i'm kind of picking up is there is a lot of carry over that we are seeing today in some of the actions that are now being taken by the obama administration. when you have such a right cleaning establishment going on for eight years, the baseline, the 50 yard line, is it reall

and i cannot remember the author, but a washington post writer that was called "the angler" about dick cheney. guest: an outstanding book. caller: what kept coming up in his book is how cheney was a master at establishing a kind of an inside the agencies in washington. it and what i'm kind of picking up is there is a lot of carry over that we are seeing today in some of the actions that are now being taken by the obama administration. when you have such right cleaning establishment going on for eight years, the baseline, the 50 yard line, is it really 50 yards? can you tell me about how old you think there is has affected the obama agenda, and thank you so guest: that is an excellent point. there will always be some tension between the political appointees at the top of the agencies and the career people. they came and under the bush administration. how that plays out might make it not a 50-yard line deal. i did do with how they want to centralize power in the white house. we have not talked about the real tension between the president and the pentagon brass in afghanistan. host: we have to t

as far as the iraq war, dearlove in the british record and a book by suskinid says that dick cheney without doubt that there were no weapons of mass direction. yet look at all the money in halliburton who got rich. what have they done to the country? they gave part of their offices over to the uae they will have to pay money on taxes for many we're gettingiving to the war. guest: the lobbyist decisions are very complicated. the notion that big to any new there were no wmd's in iraq is principal. it did he exercise due diligence? probably not. but look, that happens all the time. i do not see the evidence of conspiracy. i would not want to argue that conservatives have a conspiracy about how to use defense money to bankrupt the country. the tax cuts are another issue. host: we want to let viewers and listeners know we changed the order of the phones every month to, mix things to make sure people are honest calling. to make sure you cannot program the number into the speed dubbing of this being the beginning of the month, the numbers have changed. sorry for the confusion. tampa, fla. caller:

you to look into the energy policy that was put into place behind closed doors by vice president dick cheney and the courts did not allow u- we did not know who they met with and all that stuff. when they say what comes out of the grou goes upor sale -- on the sale -- what do they mean? thank you. guest: lemme try to respond on the last question first. wh oil is produced, it is refined or sold on the world market. that is probably what was meant by people who are suggesting what ever comes t of the ground wind up being sold on the world market for commodities. that's just the way that occurs. as far as the secret meetings that are alleged to have occurred with former vice president cheney, i think those were in connection with trying to develop an overall energy approach. the administration then sent us something that was more of a brochure that said this is the kind of thing that the bush administration thinks should be pursued in an energy policy. i think most of what was in that is prettyell known. it was heavily focused on more production. the was very little attention to increase confer

forces, we would have been out of that conflict are now if someone else had not been supporting dick cheney and george bush in such a tragic situation. and probably the most defining vote in our national security. >> that is your time. we are going to move on. i am going to ask you both about something you have recently been quoted on. "the most undemocratic placed there is hot ans," so the questn is, is a party of no consequence? >> sometimes party asked her to much. -- sometimes the party asked to much. and the establishment of us need to sit down, but i honestly believe but ultimately it is about how democratic principle. i understand he could not win in a primary. he is the junior senator from pennsylvania. the democratic caucus denied him his seniority. this there are no entitlements in washington. accountability and transparency with the people. honthey want to believe again. career politicians have been there for a generation and are used to making ideal to keep their job. listening to special interest has done them no good. we have created zero jobs during the bush administration. t