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>>> let's just pretend for a moment that dick cheney still has credibility on foreign affairs and nationalty. after all, it's been a decade since cheney drummed up support for a war based on faulty intelligence. a war we would still be fighting if he were in charge. he launched his latest attack on president obama's foreign policy last week at the hudson institute, blasting the president for having the gal to bring troops home. fox news offers a few of the evening's key details. cheney was introduced by scooter libby who spoke in detail about cheney's life and accomplishments, joking how cheney flunked out of yale twice and joking about his hunting incident. cheney went right at u.s. foreign policy, letting folks know his view of the middle east hasn't changed much. >> that entire part of the world appears to be moving in a direction that's fundamentally hostile to long-term u.s. interest. and yet we are -- seem to be unable to influence events in that part of the world. partly because we're headed for the exits and everybody knows it. >> what's cheney's solution to bringing stability to t

dick cheney is absolutely right. the world is far more dangerous today. there is a great lack of u.s. leadership under president obama this is the administration i think that has significantly led from behind. it's outsourced its own u.s. leadership on the world stage countries like france and turkey. this is not an administration that is interested in powerfully projecting american leadership internationally. we now see, of course, the middle east going up in flames. and there is absolutely no leadership whatsoever coming from washington at this time. i describe the obama president's foreign policy as an absolute disaster. one that has significantly undercut key u.s. allies, including of course israel and great britain while appeasing america's enemies on the world stage. from iran, for example through to sudan to north korea and now, of course, we see the situation in egypt significantly deteriorating. and barely a word of condemnation coming from the obama administration with regard to morsi's dictatorship in cairo. >> obviously retreating on freedoms

vice-president dick cheney slamming president obama's foreign policy. >> our allies no longer trust us or have confidence in us, and our adversaries no longer fear us. the president makes bold statements and bold talk in the last couple of days about developments in syria, but i don't think they care. >> greta: you'll hear more from vice-president cheney in a few minutes, but first, the big threat here at home. >> this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. >> tax cuts? not government spending, not irresponsible entitlements. that gets a pass. it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united states from super power status. >> this president j

did dick cheney say torture is great, we pray to you tort u. is great frauds.n they asked the guy who wrote the movie wait a minute, you seem to imply that torture is what led to the capture and that's not what happened. he says: >> cenk: not that it led to the bin laden capture. it's part of the program. oh well, i didn't make a documentary. that this is the one they're quoting. who knows about this? people in the senate. john mccain, because of course, he has been tortured in the past has a lot of experience about this and more important he has intelligence on this. he says of the. >> it didn't work. he goes one step further mccain also says: >> cenk: that's the reality. not what ignatius and scarborough say to justify their immoral love for torture. we're going to bring in a real expert lindsey moran a former c.i.a. operative and author of the book, "bill press show" my cover, my life as a c.i.a. spy. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> within the c.i.a., do they buy into this enhanced interrogation thing or people go well what am i g

dick cheney was talking last night.syria now loading sarin gas, which is so lethal, into bombs. here is dick cheney, then geraldo. >> source of significant grief, certainly for this city and all americans on 9-11 faced with a very real prospect that an area of the world that has spawned terrorists by the thousands, some who have come to the united states and killed americans is back in business. our allies no longer trust us or have confidence in us and our adversaries no longer fear us. when the president could make bold statements and bold talk as did he in the last couple of days about developments in syria, but i don't think they care. >> steve: this president just all talk. >> i don't want to pick a fight with vice president cheney because i was one of the reporters who absolutely stuck by every word the vice president said in the build-up to the iraq war and we went to war and i was one of the boosters of a war that was based on false premises that iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction. >> brian: but you

he does not have other incentives like dick cheney. he is prepared and r ready. bill cohen said it best. he has fought and bled for thisis country. he knows the subject matter. ask jim jones and other national securitydvisers. >> iraq and iran, that is what upsets people about huck hagel. >> he supported the war in iraq, voted in favor, and supported the war in afghanistan. it is an odd de that supported the two were that all the critics are now crying. he also, when it camtime to dean what was a losing war in iraq with the surge, he not only opopposed it he said it would be the worst disaster since the vinam war, and it was actually a success. >> he has other problems thate will have to address. references that heade to gays, he will have to talk about the reference to the jewish lobby when he met thesraeli lobby. those questions will have to be addressed. he has some hills to climb. >> he has some hls to climb but i think he will climb them just fine. basically, he ended up where most of the american people were about iraq and afghanistan. >> nina, you get the

. >>> cubs manager went on a quail hunting trip with hall of famer and had a dick cheney moment. >> alla sudden the shotgun goes off and i take a pellet in my ear. i got to take this out with pliers. i'm out hunting. it was interesting day. >> he got shot and he says oh that happens all the time. if i were him i'd go get a new if i were him i'd go get a new hunting pa,,,, >>> david is coming

. >>> cubs manager went on a quail hunting trip with hall of famer and had a dick cheney moment. >> alla sudden the shotgun goes off and i take a pellet in my ear. i got to take this out with pliers. i'm out hunting. it was interesting day. >> he got shot and he says oh that happens all the time. if i were him i'd go get a new hunting partner. >> yeah. >> i think that's fair. >> we'll be right back. >> thanks for that. >>> david is coming up. >> albert brooks the guest tonight. our next newscast tomorrow morning at 4:30. ( band playing "late show" theme ) >> from new york, the greatest city in the world, it's the "late show" with david letterman. tonight... plus paul shaffer and the cbs orchestra.

remember dick cheney said to -- speaking of sequels. remember when dick cheney said you got the high approval ratings you can spend them on the iraq war. republicans what they want is the president to spend some of his popularity and put out unpopular ideas for cuts. democrats don't have an incentive to do that. >> big news. stand by. my thanks. in need to pass along this breaking news from across the pond. we're just learning that prince william and kate middleton are expecting. this is news from clarence house. they will be having their first baby. nbc news is working further to confirm this but the rest of the royal family has said to be excited by this news. she was admitted to the hospital this afternoon because of morning sickness. she's pebted to stay in the hospital for a few days. the panel can all agree -- >> republicans and democrats. >> we're all on the same page right here on table. thank you so much. coming up for everybody, ahead a man without a plan. mitt romney has been spotted at disneyland and pumping his own gas. any

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in this room is another great and dear friend, lynn and dick cheney. and i want say about dick cheney cheney's experiences, especially at the university of wyoming, which would make my pale. [laughter] i tell you, we ran together in 1878. he ran for the congress, i ran for the senate and land and dick cheney and i and neither of us ever lost an election good so that's a tribute to you. [applause] and back they are standing right next to him as the little rascal mat behind barbed wire. he was in the japanese war relocation center in heart mountain, wyoming is a 12-year-old boy and our scoutmasters said we're going to go to heart mountain and meet the boy scouts. i'll tell you, nobody wanted to go. it had wire all around it, card covers, machine guns and it was one of those relocation centers. it is scoutmasters. they said these are curvaceous like us, boy scouts. i ran into this guy, san jose. he was a smart aleck, just like i was. and we had a bully. he picked on us, so we just dug a little trench right towards his cabin. during the night it rained, ru

that are very much in touch or close to or part of the network of, for instance, vice president dick cheney. whether it's halliburton, other companies, they ended up unfairly taking up these and they didn't do a good job at all by virtue of the result -- [inaudible]. these can networks -- another can of such network, if you would like to look at the much bigger scale, the entire seven to $800 billion bailout is a function of a very quote unquote legal state business network that operates that allows our system to bail out people that have caused the problem under legal pretense. the issue is in countries like syria. the money is much smaller, and the checks and balances that what is the media or the democratic process, and other civil society associations and power centers is absent, completely absent. so even though the pot is smaller, divided in an even much more an equitable way, leading to resentment that will push people to the streets as opposed to the more sort of, you know, democratic countries where these things happen but there is a threshold, economic, and some democrat mechanism

our prim minister makes dick cheney look like a human rights crusader. we got a special thanks credit in the book of revelations which is why once we become president, we'll turn around and invade ourselves. a little regime change we call our own. now, you're probably asking yourself why would these guys be qualified? is canada qualified? not only is it cooler in canada, the con cements of freedom, but because we're america, jr., the little brother who is io dallize -- idolized you, grown up together, conquered a frontier together, laughed, cried, bled, overeaten at thanksgiving, and together, we created the weakest beers in the known universe. [laughter] now, what we really want is just to offer america a chance to kick back for awhile, you know, let us cook your meals, fluff your pillows, and give you team to heal and reevaluate your place in the universe. understand, america, we still love you. you're family. this is not an invasion. it's an intervention. now, we are aware that american laws state that all of your candidates have to be u.s. born, but

on amazing now when fracking was first rolled out i believe halliburton developed this process dick cheney basically pushed through or pushed around or whatever the exemption so that the p.a. could not find out what the fracking chemicals were and this wouldn't be covered by the clean air clean water rules correct me if i'm wrong on that. and you go ahead i know you're exactly right thanks to cheney there are exemptions from. from parts of the clean water act the clean air act the safe drinking water act the toxics release inventory the resource recovery act so that the. trackers can kind of make these discharges into the environmentalism and they're not in violation of the law elizabeth we just have a thirty seconds left i'm sorry for the time is there any possibility that we're going to start regulating fracking. oh yes already we are e.p.a. has tightened the air emissions regulations they're studying water and i think there is going to be tighter regulation coming let's hope the regulations are enforced and that we start to allocate a lot more money towards studying the potential impact

echo what members of the bush administration said at the time especially you know vice president dick cheney that they believe that these methods were effective particularly in the waterboarding of coolies shaikh mohammad however i do want to point out senator john mccain just agreed and here's what he said about it. many advocates of these techniques of asserted their use on terrorists in our custody particularly khalid sheikh mohammad revealed a trail to bin laden the former attorney general of the united states michael mcconnell she recently claimed and i quote the intelligence that led to bin laden began with a disclosure from colleague sheikh mohammad who broke like a dam under the pressure of harsh interrogation techniques that included waterboarding that is false. so again locally jake mohamad believed to be water boarded one hundred eighty three times there are some officials who say that some information did come from him about that courier in pakistan but that that information came much later than any of these enhanced interrogation tactics were used interesting chris thanks for st

. >> that's what i would do is blowup dick cheney in the industrial car complex with my rocket launcherson with the woman who is basically insane and i haven't seen him in 10 years because i am learning chinese. i am also learning how to surf because i want to get him a surfboard when i know how to do it, and we can bond then. i am waiting to meet him. >> you are one hell of a dad. >> i want to be a good dad when we finally meet. >> how good of you. we will close things out with andy levy. >>> now time for andy levy for the post game wrap up. >> would you prefer your teenagers smoke or cheat? >> i would p

dick cheney said last night, andy, that our alleys no longer trust us and our allies and our enemieslonger fear us. what do you think of that? >> well, look. i think he's right. i think in this equation it's clear that president obama again has moved the goal post on a commitment that he made. that said, i must say i'm more concerned about the assad successor regime and the haste of the administration. i think actually the president's been -- i don't know if he happened into this policy or if he decided on this policy, but not backing the rebels has been a smart move just because i think they're rife with al-qaeda elements. we need to be concerned about whose hands those weapons of mass destruction, whether chemical or biological, fall into. in response to what the governor said, i think it would be naive not to think that some of these weapons are already in the hands of hezbollah. >> i would agree with that. let me ask in a broader sense, governor richardson. here we see egypt. now, when the president was helping to push mubarak out, he was telling everybody this is a democracy mov

. >>> vice president dick cheney offering scathing criticism of president obama's foreign policies. >> we have more territory in that part of the world when you start to add up all of the areas that have come or have come under the influence of muslim brotherhood and radical islamists. that part of the world piers to be muffling into a direction that is fundamentally hostile. >> he was being honored by the hudson institute for his contributions to the u.s. and government. >>> a day after hunters found two bodies in a rural area the mother of a missing girl confirms it is her daughter and her niece. dozens of people attended a vigil. the girls disappeared back in july while riding their bikes. a positive id needs to be made by a medical examiner. >>> a champion for conservative causes will be leaving the senate. jim demint stepping down to become president of the heritage foundation. he says he can do much more outside of congress than from the inside. >> i am looking for a place where i can make more of a difference. we will not win the hearts and minds of the american people if we le

just want to outdo dick cheney, the way he used air force 2 and go around hunting and fishing all over the country. >> just don't shoot anybody in the face, ed. >> i wouldn't do that. karen finney, great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >> take care. >> that is "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. chris hayes filling in for rachel tonight. >> thank you, ed. thanks for joining us this hour. rachel has the night off, but happy wednesday, everyone, tgiw, am i right? you know how it is, things start to wind down on wednesday afternoon. you send off your last e-mail, maybe pop a beer from the office fridge and head on home for the weekend. all right, you, watching this right now, probably don't do that. but that's how your friendly neighborhood lame duck congress rolls. the house was supposed to be in session tomorrow, was the republican leadership went ahead and canceled that thursday session, so it's wednesday and the weekend has arrived, if your job title is united states representative. amid the crush of members heading out of the capital

when it opens or launches dick cheney can be the one that says now witness the fire power. this has to be done request i canly, people. >> only if i could introduce him. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> there are a thousand voices that cried out. >> we need the death star filled. >> my friend is the blue elephant and he has no where to work. >> i know it is purple with three long ears. >> time to take a break. oh when we return a performance from tonight's musical guest. >>> we are nearing the end of 2012, and that means it is time for "red eye"'s year in kitten where we look back at all that is cat. as always, please hold your applause until the end. >> no one ever holds their applause until the end. annoying. ambassador, anything to add to that? >> what could you possibly add to that? jedediah? >> the most amazing thing i have ever seen in my life. >> we were all watching jedediah watch that. that was more entertaining. >> you missed some crying and some laughing. >> it makes you want to go up to a cat and do this to its chin. they love that. >> it makes you want to be one.

other books coming out, general stanley mcchrystal has a book coming out, my share of the tasks, dick cheney on coronary disease. his book is coming out in

. >>> the cubs manager went on a quail hunting trip and had a dick cheney moment. >> all of a suddens off and i take a pellet right in the ear. this is my ear. i got it take this bb out with pliers and blood is pouring out of my ear. i'm out in the desert hunting. >> bird gets up in front of him, pulls the trigger, bam, right in the ear. [ laughter ] >> everybody turned out. everybody is okay after that hunting trip. >>> mike was inducted into the san francisco hall of fame for running achievesments in the 1970s. he is now 100,000 mile man. >> 42 years of training, racing competing marathons in my teens... approximately 400 pairs of training and racing shoes. >> reporter: 56-year-old marathon runner mike finelli has running in his blood. the san anselmo recently achieved a milestone of a lifetime. he ran his 100,000th mile in the philadelphia marathon, equivalent to running around the earth 4 times. >> was an achieve goal once i had 80,000 under my belt about 10 years ago. >> reporter: he planned his training schedule so that is 100,000 mile would happen halfway through the 26.2-mile

dick cheney was one of the four designed to slip by airport x-ray machines when he was in the congress. he also voted against the reagan ban on bullets designed to pierce body armor. and when the assault ban came up in 2004, bush and cheney made sure it expired. this year, she said she's going to bring the assault weapons ban back. >> the same bill will be introduced in the house, a bill to ban assault weapons. it will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession, not retro actively, but perspectively. and it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips. of more than 10 bullets. so there will be a bill, we've been working on it now for a year. we've tried to take my bill from '94 to 2004. and perfect it. we believe we have. we exempt over 900 specific weapons that will not fall under the bill. but the purpose of this bill is to get just what mayor bloomberg said weapons of war off the streets. >> what makes you think you can pass it out? >> i'll tell you what happened back in '93 when i told joe biden who was chairman of the judiciary committee that i was going to

they shared the task and dick cheney of coronary disease. his book is also coming out in 2013. sarah weinman a publishers marketplace and dog minzesheimer at "usa today," we appreciate your time here on booktv today. >> you don't always find many newspaper editors in any era embraced investigative reporting. we so known for years it's not just economics. is the discomfort that causes in a newsroom. because his troubled son. it's that more than economics. if you r

in fairness -- >> i just want to quickly say, in 2002 dick cheney said deficits don't matter.cans crammed through the bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 through reconciliation, they wrote them to expire. they are the ones who made them expire and they did it because it was an accounting gimmick to hide the cost of the bush tax cuts just as they hid the cost of the bush wars, which were also done off the books. they don't care about deficits. they care about flattening the tax code so lower income people pay more. >> that's the dirty little secret. thank you. i wish we had more time. we don't. >>> next, sheldon walking the corridors of congress? what? i wonder if $150 million buys you a key to the speaker's office. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus p

essentially i pulled a dick cheney. and i said to my boss, i sub-optimizing do we can do but do they want to do. i know these people, i've worked with him as the lawyer and her boss. am not sure what to do. he said i think you can do but i'm not sure you want to. we talked about over two or three months and end up going in. i went going in as a good corporate citizen because i valued abc news. it needed to help. i thought i would give her two years or so. the great shock to me was i really came to love it. sort of a convert in the journalism. it was a remarkable experience and they really inspirational experience for me. >> tell me about the trials and trouble haitians of president bill clinton. you're coming in and abc in the '90s, and bill clinton is president. yet the impeachment woes. did you have to deal with any of second term clinton problems? >> yeah, a good part of my first year at abc news was dealing with the clinton issues. the monica lewinsky story broke 10 months into my tenure in january of 1998. i was do

the first thing that pops in my mind every time i hear that is dick cheney. >> stephanie: yeah.y. >> stephanie: that was rude. okay. >> very rude of you to get in the way. >> stephanie: danny from colorado springs. >> caller: how you doing stephanie? how is it going? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: a quick deal with this gun control stuff. i'm down here in colorado springs. i went to a gun show. why is it these independent contractors don't have to do background checks? we watched a gentleman at the age of 21 years old walked in, buy four assault rifles, not one deal did he do with a background check but the guy right next to him, i don't know what he did but he did background checks on them. you can get the assault rifles any day of the week. i ran the drug awareness program trying to get the kids off the streets and these kids can get guns quicker than we can. they can do it in texas california florida, you can go to any gun show -- >> that one is the no-brainer. that's ridiculous. >> stephanie: they say huge majority of nra members think there should be background ch

and former vice president dick cheney's statement. general norman schwarzkopf was an outstanding military commander and great american. he was a superb leader who managed one of the most complex coalitions in history in desert storm in 1991 and he deserve the much of the credit for success. i am proud and honored to have known and worked with him. the nation owes him a deep debt of gratitude for his years of service. norman schwarzkopf was 78. now to libya. if you thought the state department officials got the boot over benghazi, well, you thought wrong. after a scathing report about the security failures. a top security chief reportedly resigned but now it's reported is he still on the payroll. and the other three workers, they are all expected back. so what's up? senator lindsay graham joins us. well, what's up? >> i have no idea. if this is a true story that it's just a game of musical chairs, that's not the accountability that we were all looking for so i will get back with you. >> so what happens? i know you are in the minority p

nobody talked about the fact that dick cheney had so much in halliburton when he was vice president of the united states or when he was running. so now to come up with this with reference to condoleezza rice is almost a joke to me. plenty of things she could do if in fact she became the secretary of state. she could put it in a blind trust. she could sell if she wants. this is a nonissue to start. with. >> congressman gregory meeks, always appreciate you, simple. thank you for swinging by. come back. we do this every saturday. any time you want to swing by and spend time with us. >> i'll definitely do that. >>> violent protests delayed the inauguration of mexico's new president earlier today. take a look at what unfolded there in the streets. officials there say more than 2500 people took to the streets of mexico city, just a few blocks from where the new president was set to be sworn in. we're told that three protesters were hurt in clashes with police. one student is reportedly in critical condition there. demonstrators are accusing pena nieto of using bribery to win the election. th

. >> president bush and dick cheney would not have this. he would be home. that's the thing.th, that's the juxposition. >> sean: what do we find out this week. another gun from fast & furious was -- mentioned, eric -- showed up at a site where a murder took place. >> another crime scene. >> sean: our government, they gave guns to kidnappers, gangsters, murderers, drug dealers. and no outrage from the very people that are demanding -- you know that america deal with the gun issue. >> we have -- we have the opportunity to bring a marine back right now. now, there are those on the left that say, there are thousands of people in mexican -- a thousand americans in mexican prisons. this ghi was in foo folosia, afghanistan. bring him back. where's hillary clinton? is her concussion making her incapable of making -- picking up the phone and saying, let our guy go? maybe. >> sean: well said. guys, merry christmas to all of you on "the five" and thanks for being with us. >> thanks. >> sean: coming up, does this billboard paid for by american eighthiets -- does it offend you? ainsley ea

more -- are much more wanting to regulate these things, and, you know, the will and grace and the dick cheney are huge -- have had a huge impact on how we look at gay marriage, and, you know, dick durbin was satisfying the future is marriage equality, and i think the future has really galloped along. i mean, it's amazing how far we've come. >> the future is here. >> yeah. >> the future is now. >> yeah. >> it's whenever the supreme court takes up the case. >> i guess really quickly before we go, steve, does this put the president -- does he -- is he put in a tough spot with this? he has effectively tossed this back to the states, and now that the system is getting involved, there is -- the question as to what the white house's position on a sort of federal mandate regarding civil unions versus gay marriage. >> i think they'll ob the spot whether they file a brief, and i would hope they would because it's, again, the future is here, and he needs to get with the future. >> if he can't, maybe he could do enlist joe biden to go and sort of say it at an opportune time. >> he has shown great leader

bush and his vice president dick cheney both say proudly that they ordered waterboarding. george w.ush in his memoirs, he said that's right which asked whether khalid sheikh mow ham he had should be waterboarded. so we live in these strange times in which the president's administration says these activities are illegal. the previous one proudly says it ordered them performed and furthermore that it was absolutely necessary to protect the country's security to torture detainees. and now we have this movie, which is sure to be and obviously is going to be not only very popular, but perhaps in the race for oscar recognition. which seems to suggest strongly by itself narrative strategy at least by the fact that it begins with 30 minutes or so of waterboarding and other forms of torture. the torture was absolutely necessary in tracking down bin laden. >> right. mark, the film starts with those brutal interrogation and torture themes and presents a linear narrative where whatever you think of them, people look at them and think they're bad, but end with things that americans thinking are