the other important debate to consider here is the 2004 debate between vice president dick cheney and senator john edwards. in that debate, there were sparks for a number of region. one of the main ones being that john edwards invoked dick cheney's family and that debate. , he wasthe surprise able to shut down the conversation quickly. we might have similarly uncomfortable moments tonight, particularly if the vice presidential nominees are pushed on some of the controversies related to the nominees at the top of the ticket. host: we're talking about the vice presidential debate. (202) 748-8000 if you support hillary clinton.

. >> and that's what i was going to say, i don't even know if he would have the power of dick cheneyiven donald trump is at the head of the ticket. because i think first of all dick cheney had more experience in government and being able to sort of -- he was the republican party in many respects during that -- >> he's not just going to get into those details. even in business, he's known for not reading the fine print and letting other people handle it. i don't think it's debate thabl donald trump will not be in every inner agency meeting. >> but the question is does mike pence move republicans on the hill and i'm not sure that he can. so i think ultimately whether you think mike pence will be able to actually do the governance donald trump won't do, i don't enp know if you'll get that out of him. >> i also want to talk about mr. nice himself tim kaine. he's just a sweetheart of a dude. just a nice guy. whether that is political informati formidable or not against pence, we'll see. take a listen. >> somehow debate prep? >> it's good. just got to be hmyself. it's intense, but i'm calm

i joke with you, mfriend i do remember dick cheney at the time pushing that. it sort of got to be a rule in place, it's the veep debate, let's put them at the table. >> one good thing about having a table. they are both sitting at the table it's a little more difficult to go hard negative. when your opponent is at arm's length. i guess potentially you could mock the opponent. it probably even courages more discussion rather than great negativism. the palin-biden debate while it was vigorous was fairly friendly. she went up to joe biden and said, can i call you joe? neil: wouldn't it be need if he said no, i insist you call me mr. vice president. or call me professor. really? it will be hard for you to see. but it has the ratings of the vice presidential debates. that palin-biden one broke the record of 70 million viewers. bush-ferraro, the first woman in the debate. any expectations what it may be for tonight? >> i think the odds are good it will be many millions less than the 84 million who watched the first presidential debate. and it was far more than 84 mi

that completely changed him and brought out all his insecurities and made him more malleable to dick cheney and don rumsfeld. so we never know which enormous historical event is going to coincide with which new president's gremlins. i quote harry truman in the introduction, saying you never know how a man is going to take the responsibility of president. and you don't. in a way, you can follow candidates for two years and not know what they are really like because it's easy to say that he has a humble foreign policy and then you have dick cheney try to turn us -- trying to turn us into a superpower. we have to examine once they get in how that power is changing that. and how they are rising or falling. mr. lamb: why did you get interested in shakespeare and when? ms. dowd: yeah, in college, i was an english, you know, literature major. i was drawn to shakespeare for the same reason i'm now drawn to game of thrones. a reader wrote me and said i should have been a french court reporter in the 18th century. i love watching the royal court and how it deals with power. in shakespeare, people --

excited the cousin opened up their imagination to have a beautiful, sexy young woman in the role of dick cheneysomething that usually been old gray-haired men. that is where you get a bunch of other things that it never occurred to them, wow, we could have a babe in this role. at the same time, they love the role of bill clinton. he says he wants to be called first laddy. the funny thing, hillary might let him do the economy and let chelsea to the hostess thing and uplary would keep picking the china. she really should not do that. she should let bill do the traditional things first ladies have to do because it would be a great way to show how antiquated the job is because hillary hated it and michelle has done it beautifully, but it is kind of a white satin jail for a woman like hillary and michelle that have the same educational credentials as their husband. i think if you so bill clinton doing it, you would realize maybe we need to modernize the job. mr. lamb: you have a column in your book from march 6, 2016 and it starts out, "here is why the donald trump campaign is wicked fun." [laughter

in 1990, when dick cheney who later became vice president, in 1990 he was secretary of defense under esident george hw bush and cheney as the guy who was over the pentagon in defense operations wanted to purchase 120 of the c-17 jets. once they were built the program was supposed to stop because that was all the military needed. congress disagreed. they voted to provide more c-17s than the pentagon wanted. they voted to buy 151 and later, 108. i put these numbers up here because it is hard to follow. that is 1990, 20 years later the defense secretary is robert gates, in april 2009 gaetz goes to congress and says 205 c-17s, that is enough, we don't want anymore. congress voted to fund 223 and this is the cost of $250 million each. >> 17 to 19? >> sorry. >> i thought maybe -- >> a typo, sorry, ignore that. i have shown this slide repeatedly. sorry for the confusion. the question is why did congress do this? why did they give the military more airplanes and ships than the military? because the c-17 program is a welfare program. 650 suppliers, 30,000 jobs in 44 states. offers jobs for com

can't tell you the number of times i went to the thesaurus.com to check synonyms for liar about dick cheney. so now we can-- - now you can say it. - yeah you can say it so i might have to start writing about dick cheney again. because all that's changed policy. - speaking of old is new right? (laughing) yeah that would be a good column actually. - yeah and then, so he has that and then he, you know, it's this merger of politics and social media and reality tv. so, reality tv, so it's like he's the kim kardashian of politics. you know there was a story the other day that kim kardashian went on a vacation, a four day vacation in mexico and took 8,000 selfies. and so, in a way, running for president is the new selfie. - it's the ultimate selfie right? - and we're selfie nation and he's using the press as a selfie stick. (laughter) - wow. that was a very good series of things wasn't it? that was actually excellent. so, the assumption here, going into this election was that it was hillary clinton's race to lose. she seems to be doing a pretty good job of it. - well, you know, often i look at her

in 1990, dick cheney who later became vice president, in 1990 he was secretary of defense under georgew bush and cheney, the guy who was over the pentagon and defense operations wanted to purchase 120 of these jets. once they were built the program was supposed to stop because that was all the military needed. congress disagreed. they voted to provide more than the pentagon wanted, they voted to fund 151 and later 180 and these numbers are here because it is hard to follow. that was 1990. the defense secretary is robert gates, 205 were enough. we don't want anymore. congress voted to fund 223 a cost of 250 million each. [inaudible question] be change sorry. the c-17. a typo, sorry. ignore that. nobody -- i showed this slide repeatedly, you are the first to catch it, the same plane, sorry for the confusion. the question is why did congress do this? why are they giving the military more weapons and airplanes and tanks and ships than the military? because the c-17 program like a lot of these others is a kind of a welfare program. it supports 650 suppliers, 30,000 jobs in 44 states. it off

dick cheney, see him back in his younger days? you have to be ugly, because you can't take the lime light away -- dan quayle was better looking than gore anyway, i'm not gay, but dan quayle was hot. >>> the fbi wants to shut down the cigar industry. more after the break. >>> this is a fox news weather alert, i'm jackie ibanez, and hurricane matthew could be the first hurricane to hit the u.s. since wilma smashed inside. the governor of florida is urging people to take warnings seriously. >> this is a slow moving storm. that means we have less than 24 hours left to prepare, evacuate, and shelter. having the plan in place could mean the difference between life and death. when it comes to a storm of this magnitude. >> hurricane matthew hit haiti especially hard and now is bearing down on the bahamas. so far the storm is blamed to at least six deaths, some of them in haiti. it has maximum strength of 116 miles an hour, the national security agency contractor arrested for stealing classified information. 51-year-old harold thomas marti

tuned in, making it the least watched the vice presidential debate is 29 million people watched dick cheney and joe lieberman back in 2000. lauren: hillary clinton lays them out as she for the second presidential debate sunday against donald trump. bernie sanders will campaign for hillary today. be sure to watch fox business for the second presidential debate sunday night. our coverage begins at 6:00 p.m. eastern with intelligence report followed by lou dobbs at 7:00 p.m. and "cavuto" from 8:00 p.m. until midnight. nicole: contractor for the agency has been charged with stealing classified secrets. harold martin, a formal navy officer was right to die after authorities say he admitted to taking government secrets. the white house commenting on the development yesterday. >> anytime information that this is released in the context of a criminal complaint, the federal government is to mandate that nowadays to be vigilant. a situation that the department of justice takes seriously. >> his client did not intend. so i put iodine classified documents three years ago and links them to journalists.

dick cheney said deficits didn't matter. then he started to try to scweefts it down, had a modicum of success there. might this eventually blow up in our faces or you just look out, that's too far from now. 30 years, i don't care. >> it might. we were talking about the numbers. the amount of debt we are talking about for the government works out to be $200,000 per household. that seems like a lot. but that's comparable with people investing in education and their own homes. if that gets us highways, water works, i don't know if that's off, by the sounds reasonable. the problem is when it's not used well. because then you have to keep using it and it comes from taxes. so that's really the question. for investors, the question is do you need to think about it that way. our view is what you need to think about, there always broad set of asset class, equities, real estate, fixed income, and you have these across the globe. can you build pal portfolio that's robust and reliable and isn't dependent. anthony: more "wall street week

. >> my running mate, dick cheney. >> before bush made this announcement, rove wanted to mislead theedia. >> we had a guy on the campaign who was a leaker. >> how do you know he was a leaker? >> well, because he was a leaker. -- said, what's going on with the vice presidency? i said, look, big secret, don't tell anybody, but bush has decided to go with jack danforth of missouri. >> the media ran with the false story. >> felt sort of bad, but i wasn't lying to the media, i was just giving misdirection to the guy who leaked. >> lying to the guy? >> well, yeah. it helps tell a story. when you want to have the story told by an evening anchor or the story told by the candidate who expresses in front of the cameras with as few filters as possible why he made this choice. >> four years later the "new york post" said john kerry had picked richard gephardt to be his running mate. this was of course a mistake. kerry had picked john edwards. john edwards turned out to be another kind of mistake, but that's another story. what the media reported even fooled gephardt's campaign manager. >> i call

which is kind of like a hunter saying his role model for hunting is dick cheney. [ laughter ] donald trump accused media outlets, this morning, of deliberately editing his words to make him come across in a bad light. also, making trump come across in a bad light, light. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] martha stewart endorsed hillary clinton over the weekend and said donald trump is totally unprepared to be president. but she did say that he would make a lovely fall centerpiece. [ laughter and applause ] perfect. beautiful. miami started a citywide ban on styrofoam this weekend. because if you've ever been to

, the s shredding oe constitution, the e war on americican values,s, the things george bush and dick cheney did to provoke that protest were things like asserting the power to detain people, including american citizens, without due to eavesdropimply on the conveversations of ameren citizens without first going to court and getting judicial review. this was years ago, considered so extreme asas there was no insult you coululd expres that would be considered too extreme for how radical these powers were, yet here we are three years later and the current president is asserting that the power to detain people without charges, a although he s doing that, and not merely the power to ease drop on conversations without going ththrough court, thohough he is doing that as well, but also the power to execute people, to assassinate people without going to court or invoking j judicial review. yet there is very little controversy becausert time ago has now become normalized. the reason why i consider this to be the most odious aspect of all these developments was rereally underscored a few monts ago. i w

and i'm not surprised if we have a reaction like when we had joe lieberman debate dick cheney, when people said, hey, can we run those two guys for president instead, because i think you will find two dedicated public servants that are liked by people on both sides of the aisle, that have extensive resumes, good careers. they are pros at this. people are going to look at them , and they are going to hear good policy. they are going to hear people soledad: does that make your candidate more vulnerable? if you say, wow, i like this person better than the person who they are running with who is the actual candidate for the presidency? cornell: i think we have seen that before. two things from the vice presidential debate -- i think you will actually get more issue, sort of more issue contrast between the two but also understand what vice presidents are also good for. if you go to 2012 after obama's first debate with romney, which most people think the president was panic among democratic voters, and then biden came in and rallied the base of the party because he was able to go after paul ryan

right before the debate -- the daily caller -- it's a conservative website launched by a former dick cheney advisor -- published a pointing out that monica vernon laid off as many as half of her employees when she was running her research company.it's a big deal -- because she and the democratic congressional campaign committee have been attacking blum for laying off workers at ?his business.it ended with both of them talking about the challenges of running a business. "i had to get my people around and say look, we don't have very many contracts coming in and i want to keep you on and they said, look, i'll take didn't take any pay until i could pay them all back.if you're in business long enough and you're a big enough size, there are goingt o be bussiness downturns and you're going to have to lay some people off but it is the toughest decision a cheif executive officer has to make and i didn't sleep for nights thinking about having to tell people they're going to be laid off. after the break...we chat with one of the representatives trying hard to turn iowa's first district from red to bl

which is kind of like a hunter saying his role model for hunting is dick cheney. [ laughter ] donald trump accused media outlets, this morning, of deliberately editing his words to make him come across in a bad light. also, making trump come across in a bad light, light. [ cheers and applause ] martha stewart endorsed hillary clinton over the weekend and said donald trump is totally unprepared to be president. but she did say that he would make a lovely fall centerpiece. [ laughter and applause ] perfect. beautiful. miami started a citywide ban on styrofoam this weekend. huge problem with white trash. [ laughter and applause ] when they hand it to you, you have to do it. they hand it to us on a styrofoam plate. [ light laughter ] a virtual reality booth in japan held a special event over the weekend where gamers had the chance to fondle a dummy while looking at an image of a woman. "it's just like the real thing," said a guy who was totally guessing. due to growing concerns about the zika virus, disney announced today that they would begin providing free insect repellant to their gue

the lowest since 2000, dick cheney and joe lieberman their matchup >> some people think i won. >> reporter: an energized mike pence taking a victory lap while campaigning in nevada. grump with some kudos of his own -- donald trump with some kudos of his own. >> he was cool, he was smart you just take a look at him he was meant to be doing what he's doing. >> reporter: the trump team praising pence for his faceoff with tim kaine. blasting the former virginia senator over his frequent interruptions. compiling their own notes. >> i think it was very clear that tim kaine did a great job of defending hillary clinton whereas governor mike pence did a wonderful job of presenting himself as a leader. >> reporter: it remains to be seen if that showdown will be enough to move the needle for the trump pence ticket in places like ohio where a new monmouth survey shows hillary clinton holding on to a slim 2-point lead. meanwhile clinton giving her running mate two thumbs-up before heading to washington her campaign rolling out this web video that says highlights the former indiana governor's inability

in 1990 when dick cheney, 1990 secretary defends.it was the guy over the pentagon and the defense obligations wanted to purchase 120 of these. once they were built the program was supposed to stop because that was all the military needed. congress disagreed. they voted to provide more than the pentagon wanted. they voted to fund 151 and later 18180 mbytes of these numbers appear because i know that it's hard to follow so that was 1990. 20 years later the defense secretary is robert gates, and in april of 2009, he goes to congress and says okay, 205. that's enough, we don't want more and congress voted to fund 223 and this was at the cost of 250 million each. [inaudible] it's the same plane, sorry for the confusion. the question is why did congress do this. why are they giving the military more weapons and airplanes and tanks and ships and the military want? because the program like a lot of these others is a kind of welfare program that supports 650 suppliers and more than 30,000 jobs in 44 states. it offers jobs for companies, jobs