>> guest: dick cheney. he is someone who appreciates history and very interested in knew all the major players in the book. richard nixon and he knew gerald ford and ronald reagan and he was thereis when ronald reagan n 1980 trying to convince gerald ford to be his running mate which is an incredible story. there at the convention in 80 and ronald reagan -- >> host: the dream ticket. >> guest: yes, and gerald ford really considered it and dick cheney was there as an advisor and was delegate at the convention so he told me how he cannot believe how much the reagan team and reagan was willing to give to gerald ford. of course, joe ford did interview where he described as a co- presidency and the ronald much. that was too he would not be will to do it and there's a great scenery says where is bush because he' had nobody and they had to get bush on the phone at the last minute. you know, i did interview george hws about ronald reagan and he said history will have to judge his accomplished. it's like a bus to be

i know that dick cheney told me he loved having his grandkids there. joe biden loved having his family there. it is a sprawling queen anne style house, with a sprawling front porch. it was so beautiful that the admiral who lived there didn't want to leave and was really about having 2 -- really angry about having to leave it. steve: democrats line, from reston, virginia. her new book on the vice presidency. good morning. caller: good morning. i want to talk about separation of church and state. the vice president, i respect his christianity. i am a christian. i came in 1973 from jordan, but i know that when one major religion controls everything, the minorities don't have the the minorities don't have the freedom. i want to ask all the christians, we use to have a lot of american missionaries and british missionaries come over. i know christianity is love and forgiveness, and loving your neighbor and her, and love your foreigners. but the danger is, this is what extremist muslims talk about. god appointed this leader, and god appointed this, and they d

there you were writing a book on dick cheney. and the source this year i mean what happened is. obama in the balmy years there was he tightened very much on leaks and dissent in particular in the intelligence community put cia guy in jail there were people in the white house somebody was jailed also privately without public disclosure there was a sense that obama really didn't like leaks and so i had done a book on cheney i've written a lot about cheney for the new yorker during you know after nine eleven and there was a story a book to write and when i began giving chapters to people involved they said the appropriate you know it's just going to be published because they would get in trouble their professional intelligence people and military people the ones i deal with they take an oath of office to the to the constitution and not to any particular president so i just had to i just couldn't publish the book and put him in jeopardy it would put them in jeopardy would would make it almost impossible for me that the check about me

and though you were writing a book on dick cheney. it's a source issue i mean what happened is. obama in the balmy years there was he tightened very much on leaks and dissent in particular in the intelligence community put our cia guy in jail there were people in the white house somebody who was jailed also privately without public disclosure there was a sense that obama really didn't like leaks and so i had done a book on cheney i've written a lot about cheney for the new yorker during you know the after nine eleven and there was a story a book to write and when i began giving chapters to people involved they said the appropriate you know it's just going to be published because they would get in trouble their professional intelligence people and military people the ones i deal with they take an oath of office to the to the concert. to sion and not to any particular president so i just had to i just couldn't publish the book and put him in jeopardy it would put them in jeopardy would would make it almost impossible for me that the che

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host: you talked about dick cheney. image as enjoyed his one of the most polarizing figures in american history. his relationship with george w. bush was all business and they were never especially close to begin with. with regard to lyndon johnson, you write that when kennedy won the nomination, he sent him a telegram. lbj means "less back jack." -- rights, it was almost as if romeo and juliet had gotten married. the scene at the hotel, in the convention, where he was trying to convince johnson to stop being the running mate, it was brutal. shuttling up and down the stairs, trying to convince johnson not to do this, because they hated each other so viscerally. host: but john kennedy wanted him? guest: they needed each other in a lot of ways. a lot of this is machiavellian in a lot of ways. back then, they would get a vice president who could win certain sections of the country. rightk the caller was about donald trump, with the conservative base in the republican party, someone who has been in congress for six , with g

like when george w bush asked dick cheney who should be vice president, and he said he should be.son seems to me to be making a very unsubtle bid for power himself. all that nonsense he said the russia, for them to shut up and go away, it's the best moment i've ever seen from richard made it on tv. he cut them off on good morning britain. he said he has gotten more praise for that than anything he's donein praise for that than anything he's done ina praise for that than anything he's done in a 30 years. he was frustrated because kevin williamson wasn't giving an answer. anyway, to get back to the actual story, williamson is pushing for a greater increase in the mod's budget. theresa may and philip hammond have said waita theresa may and philip hammond have said wait a minute, the nature of wa rfa re said wait a minute, the nature of warfare has changed, and the chief of staff is now saying that the biggest threat is the cyber threat, particularly from russia, and we should be pouring more money into that, not conventional... there's a problem here, because five years ago, within r

it was fine when bush and cheney when dick cheney and george bush were in charge but want to bomb i came in he was the not the white knight if you will or the black knight i can as an african-american and it just changed it and it is just you know that's the way it is the stories that would have been fine in the days of bush and cheney suddenly were you know not getting published and people were complaining that i am always on the complaining about anonymous sources as if every day the new york times you can't pick up the newspaper and find the lead story based on anonymous sources it's just part of our business you can't name people in particular the stuff i do know i you know when i first did the middle eyesore. really master story one nine hundred sixty nine the first thing i remember there was a poll from the i think for university of minnesota fifty four percent of the people didn't believe it and forty six and among my peers you know eighty percent didn't believe it you have to expand on the me a nice way because it's not all in the british curriculum is as stated a mature in the u

so rudy giuliani seems to be kind of channeling dick cheney here.rt of speaking the wa i that we would have expected some of president george w. bush's legal advisers to speak and that's something, of course, many people with the civil libber e community and congressional democrats will find very perplexing and very troubling but also potentially tees off a major conflict for down the road. the broader questions of executive power are also touched on in this memo. the question of whether or not the president is the law, whether or not the president is justice. that's all of a piece with this expansive view of executive power that giuliani seems to be pushing in the comments he made about pardons. >> frank, we have heard this president and members of his team raising the specter of corruption within government agencies for many months now. and buried in this report are allegations of that as well. regarding james comey, what he might have misremembered or misrepresented. some aspersions being cast here at the fbi and the j ustice department. what doe

president dick cheney. and james and james woolsey. i i i. i i. i i i. no one will ever know how many civilians know how many civilians were killed in the syrian city of raka killed in the syrian city of. international. international the u.s. led coalition the u.s. led coalition. liberation of. fury fury in germany after the u.s. ambassador to the u.s. ambassador's accuse accused of backing. this. crossing the e.u. is crossing swords with this with the u.s. so the union posts train us so the union posts train terrorists promising terrorists promising counter counter measures measures for next month or next month . feel.

secretary, he said, oh, ican the new defence secretary, he said, oh, i can do the job, much as dick cheneyy eyes, jostling for power and making, nakedly, in my eyes, jostling for powerand making, ithink, gratuitously outrageous statements. they should shut up and go away. he certainly got noticed. in politics, that can be part of the battle. it's true but to me, it puts a lot of people in the middle ground. tony blair is reviled by many but he's right, you can't win number ten without the middle ground. john major also wooed some that people who were veering towards the centre. if you are so much and aggressive, you are going to put people off. i don't think williamson is winning friends with posturing. what about the substance of it? how much we invest in whether we are putting it in the right things. the suggestion now is that our focus should be shifting, as it were, on line. we -- we might need computer count —— computer codes to counter cyber attacks. we've seen allegations of meddling, both in the eu referendum and the american election and the general election in this country and i

books about lyndon johnson a kv are becoming the biggest construction company in the k world with dick cheney who was the it is hard to hold people like that accountable on the way that is satisfied so i'm afraid it is a trickier proposition the more they know the better the chances. courts are important but the attitude about these is changed so dramatically that the jurisprudence has been changed. if that is something that you care about. >> so by the way t5 is still flying. over in afghanistan to get artificial intelligence but what has been the reaction? so when you write a book like this what are you hoping? >> i think i am just hoping that people get interested and it is something that it is taken away by the story there is no policyt i'm trying to change but i'm hoping to try to put it into context that people can read and it gives that deeper texture so when they look at things, the image that i have is when people read a book i wanthe them to get into sharper focus. >> i can say that also for me in my regular work as well to look at their iphone and realize something they had no idea

vice president dick cheney former u.s. treasury secretary larry summers news cause of rupert murdoch and james woolsey the former boss of the cia. radially reinforced rammed earth bricks is what they really are. this more than seventy houses about one hundred forty people with families living here but. it's really a way of forming same as. the sun's coming in and heating their house and being stored in massive walls. sagebrush is the natural environment here but as we're containing the sewage and using the plant starts to process the sewage we create our own little. fear. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure. more some want to be us. that are going to be for us it's like the before last three in the morning can't be good but. i'm interested always in the waters of knowledge. and ask questions and. this is. the church secret indeed catholic priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it quite literally i like to call t

occupied land is being drilled from fossil fuels by a company linked to former us vice president dick cheney former u.s. treasury secretary larry summers news corps rupert murdoch and james woolsey the former boss of the cia. the pentagon says it's impossible to know how many civilians died in last year's liberation of the syrian city of russia as after amnesty international slams the u.s. led coalition in a new report alleging possible war crimes during the battle for the city. and there's fury in germany after the new u.s. ambassador was accused of lending support to far right groups in europe. maybe he needs to be a little bit more careful this just in. the e.u. is crossing swords with the u.s. over newly imposed trade tyrants promising counter measures for next month and calling the move by washington illegal. and you.

anybody who occupies the presidency always ends up trying to do what dick cheney said that was his goal, is to leave the presidency stronger than they found it. but it's a very difficult to try to get congress, to get individual congressmen and women to buckle down and care about these core constitutional responsibility. there's a lot of them. they don't have the individual incentive. it is a shell game for the american voter, you know, trying to pin down loose, exactly -- who is exactly responsible for the last 17 years of war. so the polarization doesn't worry me. what worries me is the institutional incentives that make it difficult for the system , for congress to take responsibility and for the system to function as it was intended. >> just to second that point that polarization can at times be helpful for constraining war powers, think back to 2013 when the obama administration was approaching the decision to formally ask congress for authorization to bomb syria for no good reason. there's a lot of things that caused opposition. it was lots of public opposition and lots of people

frankly, dick cheney says said they would return and it is bringing it closer to the sixth of july deadline oil this morning on friday. do you think producers will agree when they meet? >> in terms of the saudi's and the russians of course, they have the standing within opec. driving this idea they would see a rise in terms of production. iraq, venezuela all going to veto and plan to do so. whether we see 1 million euros raised in terms of production. anything less than that, markets would take as being underwhelming. >> thank you for the news. appreciate it. cheryl: time for mourning says maria. right over to maria bartiromo on this busy morning. >> good morning to you. i maria bartiromo and it is tuesday june 18th. top stories right now. 6:00 a.m. on the east coast. raising stakes in a possible trade for china appear threatening another round of tariffs against china. $200 billion worth of goods could escalate from there and that is what you see behind the selloff this morning. features syndicate a sharp sell off a percent at the start of trading down 125% pay 357 points lower right now.

doctrine and bush derangement syndrome for the fierce critics and he could write light and funny and dick cheney had an argument with the senator. charles wrote a colume in defense of the f- word. >> melissa: he started as a liberal. he thought we had to help the four and evidence started to pour in how grand programs and everything was making it worse. i didn't have a dog in the fight and as a doctor i was trained in evidence. if the treatment is killing the patients, stop the treatment. >> he had for a while been a psychiatrist. and i think he brought that to the commentary. he had a way of psychoanalyzing and getting to the nub of what the political players would do. and he was wickedly funny and always asking me about the latest gossip and nice to every person that worked in the bureau. down to the clears and make up. and he was steely. we had tough conversations and we exchanged forceful views but he did it with a civil tone even when he was ripping people he didn't like. he never fell in to the nastiness and he spoke in a low voice and he spoke see eloquently and never talked about his dis

fairly well for the presidency, anybody who occupies the presidency, always ends of trying to do a dick cheney, what was his goal, to leave the presidency stronger than they found it, but it is very difficult to get congress, individual congressmen and women, to buckle down and care about this core constitutional responsibility. there are a lot of them, they don't have the individual incentive, sort of a -- sort of a shell game, trying to pin down who exactly is responsible for 17 years of war. the polarization does not worry me, what worries me is the institutional incentives that make it difficult for the system , for congress, to take responsibility, and for the system to function as it was intended. >> just to second that point that polarization can at times be helpful for constraining war powers, if you think back to 2013, when the obama ministration was approaching the decision to formally ask congress for authorization to bomb syria for no good reason, there's a lot of things that caused opposition, lots of public opposition, and lots of people calling in to their elected representative

this is sort of the key dick cheney argument when he was vipe. pushed hard for an expansive view of executive power. this isn't just going to be an issue of whether or not he sits down with an interview. what kind of power presidents. i think a pro tract the legal fight would be likely. >> always great to have you. appreciate your time. stick around. we'll see you later. coming up, dig deeper into the politics of this very memo that we're talking about and the president's public efforts to undermine the mueller investigation. clooer . >> we have more now on the memo from president trump's attorneys offering revealing insights into the president's legal strategy against the russian investigation and hours before the new york times published the memo, there was this, the president tweeting is the special counsel leaking my lawyers' letters to the fake media? and so now we will bring in strategic communiqcator of hillary for america, and we have rolling stone senior writer ja meal smith. ja meal, i want to start with you on this. as he intimates her

. >> harris: let's bring in former counterterrorism advisor to vice president dick cheney and author of more your diplomat. first of all, thank you for being on the program. and second of all, i want to know your thoughts just in reaction to what you just heard. >> president from his critics can't have it both ways. on the one hand last fall, he was a warmonger, driving us towards armageddon and nuclear war, too bombastic, and now that he is effectively through sanctions and through maximum pressure driven us to these talks, now it's he's naive and he gave up too much and he shouldn't have had the meeting. the president of the united states just can't win with these guys. >> harris: i want to talk about what's at stake in it so different because you have senator schumer and others have compared the iran situation to the north korea situation. but militarily and that's your background, when it comes to the military, what is at stake with both these nations with different? >> is incredibly different. it's not apples to apples. on the one hand, you have an incredibly heightened situatio

we had dick cheney advocating for a torture program in the united states under george w. bush after 9/11. i want people like that, who are making these calls and, you know, to see their day in court. i'm not saying they should be locked up forever. i don't like prisons. i don't like police. i want to change how we prosecute people and how we treat vulnerable people verse those in power. >> reporter: james is one of many thousands of people who came here to stand up for the families and say they want them to be back together and hold politicians accountable. >> beth, thank you very much. >>> this is a nationwide protest movement today, happening more than 700 cities across the country. we'll be covering many of them throughout the afternoon here on msnbc. this is a live look at the bay area in california. that's the site of one of the protests that's taking place right now. as i said, we'll continue to monitor these marches and bring them to you as they happen. stay with us. what might seem like a small cough to you... can be a big bad problem that you could spread to fami

including al gore, dick cheney, dan quayle.e, and they cancelled at the last minute. i think one of them -- i was cleared in, my social security number was in the west wing, cleared in. i think what happens is, i've been told on background of aides that there is no upside for them to talk to a reporter because if he looks too good, trump will be mad. his boss will be angry. if he looks like he's not doing anything what about 2024? he's going to run for president. so, he doesn't want to look powerless. i was just struck in reporting this book about how ambitious he and his wife are. i interviewed people who worked with him in indiana and his former boss at the radio station said he's never seen a more on-message obedient directable talent. and they call him on-message mike for a reason as you saw with the water bottle. >> he's looking to 2024. >> absolutely. >> if not 2020. >> you mentioned the water battle. let's talk to people and show people what we're talking about here. >> can we play this again. what's going on there? >> i

there was scooter libby, the former dick cheney aide found guilty of lying to investigators and obstructing justice. the president said i don't know mr. libby. for years i've heard he has been treated unfairly. there was, of course, joe arpaio, the anti-immigrant former sheriff from arizona convicted of willfully defying a federal court order in order to continually racially profiling latinos in his jurisdiction. >> sheriff joe is a patriot. sheriff joe loves our country. sheriff joe protected our boarders. and sheriff joe was very unfairly treated by the obama administration. especially right before an election. and an election that he would have won. >> president says he's not done jet after pardoning d'souza this morning. he's considering do the same for martha stewart found guilty of obstructing justice, again, familiar and lying to investigators, hmm, rings a bell about a stock sale and former illinois governor rob blagojovich who is currently in prison after being convicted on 18 counts of corruption including trying to profit off obama's vacant senate seat in 2008 an effort famously

was selective arbitrator capricious prosecution by unelected bureaucrats who didn't like libby or dick cheney. this issue to us, i'm to the going to argue the merits, but just so you can hear what we believe. this dinesh book went almost to the point that barack obama was born in kenya. and then he releases a successful movie. preet about hara goes after him for something that's normally just a fine. that's correct. this is something that was also talked about, where he was a victim. i think this could give an indication. i think, as i have said, robert mueller, is attacking all trump associates or going after all trump associates like we are mafia. >> having said that. and we are out of time but i have to ask you because in a break you said you were receipting peter baker's book about the impeach men of bill clinton. >> yes, ma'am. >> is that preparing you because you think there is a good chance that this president will be impeached? >> i think that's why the mid terms are critical. steve bannon and i talk, steve believes this is donald trump's first reelection. if the republicans are able

of course storm top aide to dick cheney. he has all these elements.olumnist. he's basically giving a token to all the constituency groups that like him. going after martha stewart or getting her off, she already served her time. i think she paid her debt to society, i thought really quickly. and i always thought there was a way overpunishing of mr. blagojevich. 14 years in prison for basically bad language and bs-ing in the back room and conniving. politicians connive. i think the second purpose is to tell people like michael flynn, like paul manafort, like all the people, especially perhaps michael cohen, i know how to do this thing. i know how to pardon people. you could be on my list. >> before we get to bobby kennedy, i want to do this a little bit backwards. i want to share a snippet from sunday night's broadcast. we'll watch it together, and after that we can discuss it on the other side. >> robert kennedy's life was shaped by tragedy. >> president kennedy was murdered. >> he was overcome by the ghost of his brother. >> which compelled him to he

bush was strongly lobbied by dick cheney among others to pardon scooter libby and did not do so. a lot of it is relationship driven and remember, he does so many things, he, donald trump, in opposition to what he doesn't like. so so much of his presidency to date has been what did barack obama do? okay. we're doing the opposite. it doesn't even matter really what that is. it's just the opposite. i think it's relationship driven. and there is a score settling piece. i don't think there is any other question. one other quick thing to kirsten's point, don't underestimate what a big deal it is. this is a huge deal to pardon people. this is usually at the end of administrations because they're often controversial. you remember mark rich in the bill clinton days. this is a big deal that a president steps in and does something like this. kirsten is right. we should not overlook it. >> just do it and then say you're not doing it for that reason. there you go. okay, stick around, everyone. lots to talk about. when we come back, so much more -- so much i should say for roseanne barr's prom

nor will dick cheney. as i say, he liked it too.what matters, curiosities and conundrums, social and ethical, is a doctor ever killing a patient willing to die, we use the phrase women and children in the age of feminism. i have a column on that and seem to be the only person in the country disturbed by its continued use and i'm not even a feminist. how many lies is what allowed to tell to advance themselves? something i write about in the book and in which i talk about what president bush did in elevating the national debate in bioethics in a way that has never been done in american history and for which history will be grateful as well our progeny. what matters, occam's razor, for matt's last theorem, the fermi paradox, in which the great man asked why with so many habitable planets out there, why in god's name have we never heard a word from a single one of those civilizations? these are the things that most engage me, give me pause, pleasure and wonder and make me grateful for the gift of consciousness. for 3 decades they occupi

>> i think -- well, i think it was really difficult at the end for dick cheney and george w.ntial vice president. >> yes, exactly. of course, al gore and bill clinton at the very end. relationships disintegrate until the end, which makes president obama and joe biden unique, because their bond grew. >> there was a written agreement between president obama and vice president biden about the particulars of what their relationships would be, kind of like a contract or something? >> there was. it lists several points like, you know, j.b. must see all paper that crosses b.o.'s desk. that was the shorthand they used in the memo. i thought it was really fas mate i -- fascinating. joe biden said he wanted to be e last pern in a room when the decision wasmade. usually, vice presidents do not criticize presidents, even privately with other cabinet members. they don't want to undermine the relationship. >> it's a great read. political frenemies, the vice president and the president, interesting suggest. kate, thank you so much. to find out more about first in line, go to today.com/shop.

dick cheney's guys killed it i actually was writing something about it at the time i got a phone callhouse that said, stay away are from this. both of those are companies that are part of china's official going out program, taking companies out where they could learn new skills zte's role was to bring telecom systems to emerging markets in latin america and africa and then provide the trade financing, which means you've got a grip on that government then so, zte has played a very important foreign policy role. this puts that back -- >> to your point, secretary of state mike pompeo just sitting down in the front row of the rose garden as we await the president and prime minister shinzo abe senator mark warren said on -- senator mark warner said earlier on the show, this compliance team that's going to be in there, that wilbur ross is very proud of, he's very concerned that they won't have the skill set because commerce was dealing with the issue of them selling sanctioned materials, et cetera. but the spying is what he's worried about, and that is in the deep integration of the chips,

of defense since dick cheney was secretary of defense who have said zero tolerance for sexual assault in the military. almost nothing has changed. listen to these stories. in one case, a woman was raped by a service member. she went to the hospital. she told a friend and an investigation was started. during the investigation, two more victims came forward to tell their stories who sai they were raped by the very same service member. the military investigative team, the military police recommended the case proceed to a court martial. but because of the way our military justice system works today, a military commander was in charge of the case, not a trained military prosecutor. and that commander chose to just discharge the perpetrator, just send him right into the civilian world with no trial, no court martial, no record. not only were those service members who were violently assaulted denied justice, but a seri predator was also released int the general public. mr. president, mr. president, that is not right. or listen to another case of a former marine who was working as an air forc

and it's the same company in my book with dick cheney who was their ceo, secretary of defense and viceident during the iraq war. so that's, it's really hard to hold people like that accountable in a way that's going to be satisfying. i'm so afraid it's a trickier proposition. i think the more people know about these things, the better the chance is. the courts are important, but, you know, they're just, they've been -- the attitude about these things has changed so dramatic canically in our courts without -- dramatically in our courts without people realizing that the jurisprudence has been changed in a very intentional way. so we've got to get that back somehow if that's something that you care about. >> so that leads to my question, thanks for that, which is the reaction to the book. i'm going to start with monte. the "wall street journal" the other day had a story about flying over afghanistan, and they're trying to get artificial be intelligence to process all of the film that comes back. what has been the reaction to the book among the people you interviewed or kind of -- and what