corporation to be going up against a nation state that is attempting to attack them, it is similar to dick clark's analogy, similar to the pentagon going to the u.s. steel during world war ii and saying that we might think that the germans will attack in pennsylvania. it's entirely the wrong model. these modern attacks are designed to be stealthy. in the old days, attackers publicized their attacks. now they hide. you do not know you have been attacked. what the administration's proposal does is provide an incentive not to look. we need to provide incentives for corporations to redouble their efforts to find these very sophisticated attacks. if corporations feel they, if they find the attack they are going to be put up on a website and get a bunch of negatvie publicity, not only did they not have an incentive to look for these successful attacks, but we provided an incentive for foreign entities to attack these entities, hoping they get discovered in their stock prices go down. these are the wrong incentives. this is a punitive model, where we try to blame the victims of the attacks. what we need

corporation to be going up against essentially a nation state attempting to attack them is similar to dick clark's analogy, similar to the pentagon going on to u.s. steel in world war ii saying they may attack the plant, you should buy weaponry and spider planes. it's the wrong model. these modern attacks are designed to be stealth yi. in the old days, now they go in there and hide. the idea is you don't know that you have been attacked, sco what the administration's proposal does is provide an incentive not to look. we need to provide incentives for corporations to be re-doubling their efforts, find the very, very sophisticated attacks, and if corporations feel that if they find the attack they will be put up on a website and get a bunch of negative publicity, stock prices going down, not only don't they have an incentive to look for the successful attacks, but we provided an incentive for foreign entities to attack these entities hoping they get discovered and the stock prices go down. they are the wrong incentives. this is a punitive model where we try to blame the victims of the attack. we nee

they did the interest people like george tenent and dick clarke who was at the white house who was supposedly giving the expertise needed on terrorism there in from their information their warnings to support he did until nine eleven but i interviewed sandy berger saper was the outgoing national security adviser and he told me that he had told. with the condi rice was going to you know the i mean national security advisor. your number one priority is going to be nine eleven is going to be the al-qaeda and they are going to attack us here at night states and that he had personal knowledge that al gore had said the same thing to take cheney and that bill clinton had said the same thing to george bush at that they had heard the message and that they all appeared to have taken it seriously. did is it literally that they just you know i know that dick cheney was put in charge of the counterterrorism task force in march and they didn't even meet until september was that really just because they're saying this is another thing i mean you know these are. it was telling us the attacks were coming lond

up against, essentially, a nation state that is attempting to attack them is similar to adopt dick clark's analogy, it'd be similar to the pentagon going to u.s. steel during world warl ii and saying, well, we think the germans hay attack, you guys should buy some anti-aircraft weaponry. it's entirely the wrong model. these modern attacks are designed to be stealthy n. the old days, attackers publicized their attacks. now they go in there, and they hide. the idea is that you don't know that you have been attacked. so what the administration's proposal does is provide an incentive not to look. we need to provide incentives for corporations to be redoubling their efforts to find these very, very sophisticated attacks. and if corporations feel that they are -- if they find the attack they're going to be put up on a web site, and they're going to get a bunch of negative publicity, their stock price is going to go down, not only do they not have an incentive to look for these successful attacks, but we've provided an incentive for foreign entities to attack these entities hoping they get discov

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and a few years later dick clark was walking down the hall one way, and he said to me, you know how to program computers, don't you? i should have said, no. and instead he said, well, i want you to come up to nsa and talk to them, so that's how i got involved. >> host: also joining us today was siobhan gorman who coffers national security type issues for "the wall street journal". thank you all for being on "the communicators." >> guest: thank you. >> next on c-span2, remarks from the dalai lama on nonviolence in the 21st century. later, a discussion on the state of public education with sacramento mayor kevin johnson and former washington, d.c. school chancellor michelle rhee. and then a student conference on the legacy of ronald reagan and the workings of the federal government. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> earlier this year the dalai lama made his first visit to arkansas. he spoke to an audience at the university of arkansas on nonviolence in the 21st century. this is an hour and a half. >> we typically associate with widespread social change and political renovation. but i would suggest to you

if a few years later, dick clark was walking down the hall one way and he said, you know how to program computers, don't you? i should have said no. instead, he said, i want you to go up to nsa and talk to them. that is how i got involved. >> also joining us today is siobhan borman, who covers security-type issues for the "wall street journal." thank you all for being on "the communicators." [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> sunday on news makers, represented emanuel cleaver. also, a look at federal spending. that is live sunday at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. >> but the judge, paul jennings, obscure people with little known stories. american university professor clarence lusane discusses many people who left their impact on the white house. >> i began to discover fascinating individuals whose and on the presidencyies his mark on the white house were virtually unknown, except for a few scattered short -- stories here and there. everyone knew that george washington and thomas jefferson had slaves, but