and i think some of those voters may regret that they dumped dick lugar in the primary now.r probably would have won that race. >> and there's so much talk that sandy helps obama win this. do you think this hurt romney this happened? >> it may have a bit. hurricane sandy afforded the president an opportunity to look presidential and his response was widely hailed by many of the governors in the states that were affected, especially chris christie, being pleased with the republican's response. i think that certainly didn't hurt. he's got the president and eebs got the experience. >> we'll talk about the marriage and legalizing marijuana in our next go around. >> one of the biggest decisions voters had to make whether to approve a tax increase to fund education. this morning, it appears prop 30 has passed. 54% to 46%. governor brown expected to react to the victory later on today. i'm sure he's going to come out a very happy man but also very relieved. this was tough. >> yeah, good morning to you, jon. this was a huge victory for governor brown. at an election watch party, he

i would point to is the indiana race which is richard murdoch the tee party republican who beat dick lugara primary versus joe donnelly the republican. or the democrat, excuse me. donnelly, according to a poll that came out today, has an 11-point lead. let me explain take a second to explain why i think this is the most important race. we have those fiscal cliff negotiations coming up after the election and before the beginning of the year. if obama wins re-election, obama is going to be negotiating with probably a republican house and with probably a democratic-controlled senate but a senate where there will be more than 40 republicans who could full filibuster. now if murdoch wins then every republican in the united states senate will be terrified of a primary from a murdoch type, they won't do a thing to compromise with the president. but if murdoch loses then a lot of republicans in the united states senate are going to say well, that kind of tea party politics doesn't work. i can repel such a challenge, and that gives them a little bit more room to maneuver and compromise with the pre

i would pick tim romer or dick lugar. you've got bipartisan ship, somebody a lot of people could work with, including then senator obama who traveled around the world with him talking about nuclear disarmament. i think that is someone the president is comfortable with and the senators will be comfortable with. i think that's very important if we're going to retake the center. if you can't get susan right one of the hoosiers. >> one of the hoosiers wins. every fantasy draft every cabinet fantasy draft is talking about the hoosier twins. i say james cunningham, the ambassador to iraq, was to israel. james cunningham. susan rice, from fantasy to reality, i say in reality the likely choice will be susan rice for this job. the secretary of defense you had a hoosier in the secretary of defense. i do see duke lugar here. you think that he will cross the aisle, the president will go for a republican secretary of defense? >> he could go for olympia snow, who was on the intelligence committee. you could put snow over at defense. i

longtime republican senator dick lugar you know lose his seat in the primaries. will they have a conversation about maybe trying to play to the middle a little more they've tried to build a party with low hanging fruit and what they have to do is decide now they have to rebuild the infrastructure they have to say no to the evangelical fringe that even richard nixon was wise enough to say no i don't want to be a part of that they have to be willing to say no to this t.v. this tea party fringe that is it's that's made them able to be a legitimate political party now look we can take all of the individual stories that we've heard time and again as this campaign has gone forward but the point is there is that error of around this party there's that aura around this party that is barely a legitimate party anymore because it has been overtaken by lunatics they have lost control of their party the people who have to rebuild that have to have the car have to have the courage and the character to say no this is a party of eisenhower again this is a party at least of barry

maybe now the answer is will the dick lugars, the ones remain in the republican party, not left. mainstream conservatives say this is crazy. we will vote for a balanced balanced -- they understand the right wing got repudiated this time and democratic position won in the senate and white house and even in the house given the gerrymander. i don't know the answer. it is possible you have mainstream republicans wit common sense and survival instinct to abate the crazies. >> it will be amazing to watch that dialogue happen. >> have enjoyed watching fox news for the first time. >> let me a brief question about your future. you said you're psyched you're not running again for your house seat. if john kerry, senator from massachusetts or duval patrick the state's governor, takes a cabinet job in this administration, would you make yourself available for the governorship or senate seat in massachusetts? >> no. it's flattering people mentioned it. the senate seat, i'm 72 years old. i don't think at 72 you commit yourself to a six year term. i hope i'll be healthy and jim keeps me healthy.

in indiana joe donnelly beat richard mourdock in the race to replace dick lugar, massachusetts, elizabethagainst scott brown. the first signs of how the police congress will govern might come this afternoon when house s discusses the cliff. last night boehner struck a tone saying quote -- >> but he also seemed to indicate that compr >> with this vote the american people have also made clear that there's no mandate for raising tax rates. message from senator mitch mcconnell who has to work with a president he vowed to only give one ight -- : now washington is chief national correspondent for "the new york times" magazi mark leibovich. mark leibovich, what we know and what we don't know. >> hi alex. >> what we don't know is how this what we know is the upper chamber may be even fyhrier --fierier -- you're of words. it's cruz will be legislating alongside e warren as a denison of washington, d.c. politics, what do you think the implications of that are? >> well i mean look every senate and every congress has its own sort of ecosystem and its own person and harry reid will still be in charge

off running against mourdock, who ended up being a bit loosy goosy, or better off going against dick lugar chris, thank you very much. what i bet on were the people of indiana, that we're a common sense -- we have a common sense attitude, we're conservative, but we believe in the basics, getting things done. and we're not extreme. and what happened was this campaign came down to someone with very extreme positions and what i tried to do was just focus on the middle. the same place where senator lugar has been for the longest time, is just trying to do common sense things. moving our country forward. and, you know, i thought that that made a lot of sense, that that's where hoosiers were, and we were very fortunate last night. >> you've been on the front lines, and there's nothing smarter than the candidate who just comes back from winning an election or losing one now. now, what do you know about the appeal of the other side? what is the main republican appeal to middle of the road voters? why would a person of sound mind vote republicans? i really want you to stick your neck out now that t

republicans hope to hold onto this seat after six-term republican dick lugar was defeated in primary by the tea party candidate, richard mourdock, the state treasurer. mourdock is opposing democratic congressman joe donelley. mourdock appeared to have the edge in this race. it was a safe republican seat. he made controversial comments about abortion now this race is also too close to call. david and liz? david: peter barnes, thank you very much. peter, we'll be seeing you all night. >> thanks, peter. david: coming up next two states that still have an election day alcohol ban in place. could it be your state? find out which ones next is. liz: time to take it off the desk, if you're thinking today will be a good day to go out and drink i hope you're not in kentucky or south carolina. they're the last states with a election day alcohol ban in bars and restaurants. david: kentucky? the home of bourbon for god's sake. our coverage kicking off next with a special io

worried about a congress, this is republicans losing people like olympia snow who are leaving, dick lugar beat on the right. having guys like john mccain and hatch have to run far to their right just to keep their offices. this is very perilous for our country. i'm looking for us to go back where you had guys like ronald reagan and tip o'neill who reached across the aisle. >> friends in the newt gingrich second term worked very well together. >> i think we have the right president for that. but we need the right leadership coming out of congress that's going to rise up to the challenge and bring our nation together. most of us in the country are not on the margin. most of us, however we identify, republican or democrat, we have so much more in common than we do apart. that's where we hope that our government will follow where the people are. >> that's so true. cory booker, great to see you. better luck on the ground. appreciate you coming in. >>> coming up next, how the republican party lost a battle. we'll go head to head on that question. questions from bing elections. do you know where

but people are saying listen, the reason olympia snowe and scott brown and dick lugar and yourself, moderate members of the republican party, lost your seats is that mitt romney flip-flopped so much from sort of far right to take on the tea party in the nominee race, then back to moderate and so on, that no one was really quite sure what kind of republican he was, or indeed, what kind of republican they should vote for in their own area. >> you know, piers, as a moderate republican woman, let me say this. you cannot only say that the moderates in the republican party are the ones who faced difficulties lately. there are no moderates left in the democrat party either. you cannot really find one in the congress and it's very sad. if the american people knew when the moderate republicans tried to work with the moderate democrats, you know, it didn't go over very well in the congress. leadership on both sides pretty much rejected that and it's very sad so i don't think it's a good thing to sit here and say only the moderate republicans are endangered. there are no moderate democrats left either.

dick lugar should win the peace price. >> he didn't have a house in his state. >> he compromised. >>nett. >> look at joe lieberman. >> joe got reelected. >> he got kicked out of the democratic party. >> you're supposed to sit there. >> one person at a time. >> the republican base has a strangle hold. you used the phrase of grover norquist. he doesn't have the strangle hold. it is that he can lead this increasingly powerful, increasingly small base. >> we're going to take a commercial break. they are shaking their heads like this. that's straight ahead. also, live coverage of the 2010. there are a lot of warning lights and sounds vying for your attention. so we invented a warning you can feel. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with a patented safety alert seat. when there's danger you might not see, you're warned by a pulse in the seat. it's technology you won't find in a mercedes e-class. the all-new cadillac xts has arrived, and it's bringing the future forward. you see us, at the start of the day. on the company phone list that's a few names longer. you see us bank on

the fact that the republican party didn't go with the dick lugars of the senate. they went with the mourdocks and the akins, i think really the story of the senate was the rejection of those hard-core ideologues and the need to return to more pragmatic elected officials. >> congressman adam schiff, good to have you on the program. carl, nia-malika, thanks to you. >>> these pictures say it all. some of the hurricane sandy victims still dealing with damage to their homes are being walloped with a nor'easter. it brought wind, snow, and rain to parts of new jersey, connecticut, and new york yesterday. at least 60,000 people who lost power after sandy lost it again when this new storm hit. one part of new jersey got a foot of snow. we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like

if you were running today, wouldn't you be worried about the primary the same way bob bennett, dick lugare list is on and on. >> the issues are so complex. it's like nuclear proliferation, abortion, abortion 50 times in congress on issues related to abortion, medicaid, obviously. partial birth. bypass. i can't literally take these huge, complex issues and have a pledge that covers everything. >> i want to actually go now to the other side of the equation which is on the one hand we're going to have the grover norquist pledge is the shiny metal object. we're in two weeks of doing -- we're all going to run in place until the smell of the jet fuel from national airport starts making its way down to congress and they realize, oh, wait. >> and have a deal this week. there's that option, too. >> get done for the holiday break. once the 14th comes up, the progressive left, are they going to accept something about medicare in this deal at the end of the day? and will they grin and bear it now and then be more upset about it later? reaction of medicare, age going up, means testing. we've been talk

only so many olympia snowes and dick lugars out there. >> one of the big points of the story is that senate has already voted on this and they voted without a filibuster in favor of letting the bush tax cuts expire for incomes over $250,000. that was an underreported very big development in the saga, this is before the election, showed you can take this vote and survive. and so now the microscope turns to the house to see what the house republicans will do. now, it might have to go back to the senate, be subjected to a filibuster. we're overstating how concerned many of these blue -- red state democrats are about this because they actually did already have this vote and saw the electoral implications of it. >> and if you look at the party trend lines right, martin n terms of being reasonable about these things, democrats tend to be and that's both supported by data and anecdotally. obama's poll person polled 800 and 9% believe changes are needed to fix social security and medicare. 17% believe no changes should be made. there is an understanding on the part of the left that you are g

i mean dick lugar would have steam rolled our candidate in indiana. no question about that. candidate but akin would have probably edged claire mccaskill and those are two seats that are going to hold. it's difficult. even up in massachusetts, if scott brown loses, to elizabeth warren, it will be one, because she's a great candidate, but because scott brown was forced by his leadership to say -- to vote for the blunt amendment, something that 90% of massachusettsens thought was probably a joke. so the tea party element that's out there in the primaries and also seems to control the caucuses, is something that republicans are going to have to come to grips with. >> karen, you and i were talking about this earlier, in a place like nevada where shelly berkeley against dean heller, dean heller questioned the legitimacy of the 14th amendment, against the dream act, this is in a state with a sizable latino population. >> that's right. >> the question is, when -- when does the alarm bell get rung? when do people understand this is not a tenable strategy going forward? >> potentiall

looking over the right shoulder and tear in tehran the primaries like bob english or my castle or dick lugarand a few of knowledge climate is real work across the aisle but this may not have registered yet. yesterday for the five members of congress republicans targeted went down in defeat. one of them dan benishek is still in the bubble and may or may not carry through but four out of five went down because they were targeted for taking taking the antiscience position. i'm wondering to questions 14 whit. and for stan is there an opening for the president -- my present to go more locally on climate than he did the first time? >> is sandy a turning point in this discussion are not? >> the whole discussion of climate change has become so polarized that i think if we can address some of our economic challenges and if we can address some of our immigration challenges, there are some things that are whole lot higher on the priority list than trying to overcome the divide on that. eventually, the progress of science will be persuasive to more and more people but right now what it has become so div

if perhaps dick lugar were up there instead of murdoch, for example. >> i think gloria is right on bothoints. i would point out in the exit poll, barack is losing. and i think you may see aiken go down in the exit polls, as well. let's wait and see on that. but the larger point here, anderson, how frequently the results we're seeing do mirror the public polls coming into the day. and that is good news for the democrats keeping the senate, it's good news for the democrats winning the presidency. it's good news for republicans keeping the house. but it's a very interesting that the public polls so far have been pretty close. >> we'll continue to watch that, as well. wolf? >> we're getting, anderson, the first early results, early results coming in from the battleground state of florida where many polling places already close. take a look at this. 34%, more than a third of the vote has been counted. the president the president maintaining a lead, 52% to 47%. 52% to 48%. of the three million votes that have already been counted, the president is ahead by 130,000 plus votes so the president

dick lugar is a conservative republican with a high conservative rating. i have great respect for him. he was beaten by somebody who ran too far from his right -- to his right, who said his definition of compromise is when democrats agree with republicans. if compromise is a dirty word, we are in a big world of hurt. to follow other conversation, in addition to fixing the debt, i would encourage everybody to do what you do every day in your jobs, which is try to reach a fair principled compromise. it has got to go beyond common ground. we use the word common ground a lot. look at the last election, there is not a lot of common ground in terms of overlap in approach. it has to be compromise, which means accepting some things you do not like on both sides and getting some things you do like as part of meeting in the middle. that is compromise. common ground -- we can work through the budget. certainly there are some areas of overlap, but it does not begin to get you to the kind of deficit reduction numbers we need to get to. you can only do that through comp

did f dick lugar it was very close before the comments.ney might have carried our state to pull richard murdock. the bottom has fell out. >> megyn: how about over in missouri, we are watching that. she is up a guy that made controversial comments, todd aiken but the polling for him has gotten better? >> he is not doing as badly as some people thought he would. let me put this in context. the republicans could have nominated almost anybody and did he fight clare mccaskell but the one person that is probably going to lose to her. is there a chance she could win? based on the fact that romney is going to pick up 55% of the vote in missouri. maybe romney's coated tail can pull in. she was rescued from the political graveyard by todd aken. >> scott brown and his opponent. >> could the is a great guy and if it was not a presidential guy he might very well win. my take is barack obama is going to carry massachusetts by such a large majority that elizabeth warren will win by a narrow race by two or 3 percent? >> i agree with that hundred percent.

dick lugar probably should have been, but he was not. you look at castle vs o'donnell. no one wants to be the one who is beat because they venture on a limb. the frank assessment, at the end of the day, most politicians who are -- there is lots of money -- there will be a runoff in louisiana. bustani is the establishment candidate and the other is the tea party. again, those things are all instructive for people who are inherently in self-interest, which means i want to keep my job and i want to be reelected. krebs did hear from our the panelists on this. but even though this is a status quo election, people are coming into this with another perspective. if you look at the gop as a whole, there is an internal struggle about what was the message when it comes to people like young voters or latino voters. what can we do going forward as a party? but there's also a policy question, too, specifically on taxes and spending, deficit- reduction and confronting what has been kind of a tea party and grover norquist orthodoxy on this subject. what do the other panelists think abo

at some of the losses like dick lugar in indiana and in delaware -- these were tea party-inspired victories that some might argue cost republicans the potential to control the senate. maybe there will be a reaction to that. >> the senate is tied up by the filibuster and how. the house writes the checks. it is dominated by people that care too much about appeasing the far right or the fiat -- far left. >> i think a lot will depend on john boehner and legacy he wants to leave and what kind of freedom he wants to give. there was such an enforcement of party discipline. that was the policy. they wanted to make obama a one- term president. if they want to win the presidency in 2016 -- >> they have to listen to the tea party or the far left if they want to win their seat. they want to hang onto their jobs. wearing about my job. -- just worrying about my job. that is the attitude they take. >> i'm seeing it wrapup sign in front of me. it is the beginning of something new. we just elected a president. thank you very much for coming. >> thank you, everybody. >> thank you, jill, ron, and beth. we are

dick lugar would have won with 700 % of the vote. he always did but they took on their own. on the overrish side, doesn't it? >> well yes except you know, john boehner still needs them to hold on being speaker. and now it's going to be interesting because the question is will they keep him or will eric cantor try to take that job? >> stephanie: ooh. >> oh, what fun to watch. >> our friend wayne powell. >> stephanie: i know! that was such a long shot but yeah, he ran a great race. >> he ran a great campaign. >> stephanie: david let's talk about -- wow i got a headline here from -- where do you call it? landslide victory for lgbt equality up and down. that was the other thing. i was with a friend last night that was saying the last election that was the one thing we remember out here in california, having elected barack obama and just the immediate punch in the stomach with prop 8. >> chicago, having left grant park and saw the numbers coming in california, i remember feeling like this whole sort of -- mixed feeling of elation and depression at the same time that my home state

they rejected these extreatment candidates, and turning away from someone like dick lugar for someonewalsh. i'm on fox staring into the little dark lens and next to me is walsh on msnbc on chris matthew's program, and i'm trying to listen to what the person is saying to me but he is shouting at the camera that is a stupid question! how could you ask me that question? and it was everything i could do not to laugh. but i will enjoy the camera rotunda much more in the future. >> stephanie: yes. it will be less noisy. representative thank you for checking in with us, and congratulations on your victory. >> thank you. it is my pleasure and i'm off right now to put those speed bumps in. >> stephanie: thank you. i appreciate you taking me seriously. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: how about ted nugent. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: he goes on a twitter tirade against pimps, whore, and welfare brats who voted for president obama. >> right. >> stephanie: pimp whores and welfare brats and their soulless supporters. and are also subhuman varmints. >> wow. >> stephanie: good luck, ame

. >> tell that to dick lugar in indiana.not crystal clear that it's good for their electoral future. >> well, and tell it to congressman latourette, right? and olympia snowe. >> and mitt romney, who was too far to the middle for the liking of the right wing of the party, who said that he was disastrous for their party. >> what happens when these centrists resign? in texas, with all due respect, you're a relatively moderate senator and you're being replaced by someone much further to the right of you, ted cruz. i don't know the specific story in latourette's district, but in general, what has happened over the last 30 years, as moderates and centrists resign, they're almost always replaced by people further out on the fringes and you have a more polarized congress. >>> still ahead this morning on "starting point," as we continue to talk about that, we're also going to talk to billie jean king, she is one of "fortune's" most powerful women. we'll talk about the battle of the sexes. a record number of women in the senate, even

i think he will try to mold himself a little bit -- not completely, like dick lugar, honestly. he will be against the hawks i think on a number of occasions. we did a story recently about him and we had john mccain talk about how much -- how much he respected and although they did not always see eye to eye. but i think the foreign relations panel in both chambers, sense, i guess, the 1960's, just as not had as much as an impact on what the president does as it used to. if kerry becomes the secretary of state, i guess you end up taking what he was hoping to do -- and at the administration level. but it reiterates what i am saying, which is you can't do much until you are in the administration about these kinds of things. >> i think you made a good point. if i could go back to bob corker also. he is kind of this fascinating character to me. in some ways he is almost non partisan and the way he deals with a lot of people. it may be due to his background as mayor of chattanooga. instead of going to the republican national convention in tampa over the summer, he went to the middle e

is -- that could, number one, trigger a primary contest and, remember, republicans have eaten -- dick lugarost an election -- a primary election. senator snowe retired because she was fearing one. >> let me pause on my thought. let's listen to more of grover norquist. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they have had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it won't be. it would be spent. if he got, you know, 10 to 1 rarb ratios on entitlement reform. i had long conversations with lindsey graham and he said i would raise taxes if -- and he lists this incredible lift ofkc reforms that they would never give to him and i said, senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> okay, pink unicorns? can you -- you want to take a shot at translating that for me, bob, please? >> well, i do think that grover has a point in that republicans are just not going to go along with increased taxes, unles

at some of the losses like dick lugar in indiana and in delaware -- these were tea party-inspired victories that some might argue cost republicans the potential to control the senate. maybe there will be a reaction to that. >> the senate is tied up by the filibuster and how. the house writes the checks. it is dominated by people that care too much about appeasing the far right or the fiat -- far left. >> i think a lot will depend on john boehner and legacy he wants to leave and what kind of freedom he wants to give. there was such an enforcement of party discipline. that was the policy. they wanted to make obama a one- term president. if they want to win the presidency in 2016 -- >> they have to listen to the tea party or the far left if they want to win their seat. they want to hang onto their jobs. wearing about my job. -- just worrying about my job. that is the attitude they take. >> i'm seeing it wrapup sign in front of me. it is the beginning of something new. we just elected a president. thank you very much for coming. >> thank you, everybody. >> thank you, jill, ron, and beth. we are

i think he will try to mold himself a little bit -- not completely, like dick lugar, honestly. he will be against the hawks i think on a number of occasions. we did a story recently about him and we had john mccain talk about how much -- how much he respected and although they did not always see eye to eye. but i think the foreign relations panel in both chambers, sense, i guess, the 1960's, just as not had as much as an impact on what the president does as it used to. if kerry becomes the secretary of state, i guess you end up taking what he was hoping to do -- and at the administration level. but it reiterates what i am saying, which is you can't do much until you are in the administration about these kinds of things. >> i think you made a good point. if i could go back to bob corker also. he is kind of this fascinating character to me. in some ways he is almost non partisan and the way he deals with a lot of people. it may be due to his background as mayor of chattanooga. instead of going to the republican national convention in tampa over the summer, he went to the middle e

richard murdoch ended up defeating richard lugar long-time senator dick lugar in a rather bitter nasty republican, an ideological race where murdoch attacked lugar for not only being too liberal on questions of guns and national security but also not having a e, not living in the state. murdoch seem to be the clear favorite to win the seat to hold on the seat for the republicans but stumble after stumble he looked sometimes unwilling to compromise, angry, bitter. and i think it worked on voters. then more recently we had a controversy on rape and abortion and whether it was a misstatement or misinterpreted, whatever you want to say. it has hurt him in the polls. joe donley is a credible candidate but frankly would not have won a u.s. senate race in a normal year like this. >> when you look at the early returns that we're seeing in that indiana senate race it's basically tied up. very few precincts are reporting yet. you think that mitt romney probably won indiana by a large enough margin that the a.p. was able to call it so early or two networks were able to call it so early. that says