. >> john: dick lugar. >> dick lugar the same. all of a sudden chris christie is a liberal--that's absurd. john bain boehner in my heart i know he wants to get immigration done. but his fear, i've got someone who wants to be speaker behind me and do i take the risk of losing the speakershipership. >> john: eisenhower reaganed would have been primaried by now. what does the party have to do so survive? will they splinter off or do we continue for decades. >> i really believe because the only option i have, if i leave the republican party which i never want to do, i would join the libertarian party. i believe there is a real libertarian message and voice within our party. if you look at ron paul's campaigns, i agree with some things, there were some things i didn't agree with, but if you look at the young people energized in that movement, that's how people think. they want less government. sexuality, abortion rights, they don't want to hear about it. they want less government. i think there is an opportunity for the republican to w

and particularly single out in 1986 the late congressman from the democratic party and senator dick lugarstates of america and the people of africa hand in hand come i want to thank you for the courage. because four years later, nelson mandela was out of prison and eight years later we had a democratic election in south africa. thank you so much for all of that that you have done. [applause] it has kick started south africa and the african continent onto the brink of prosperity and a face that again and we will cross that when we come back to it. today we do with south africa and we do this the best we can by making this sound is wonderful as we can and for bringing the great jazz music of our continent into your houses today. i want to thank particularly a group who kept us going from the days of slavery through the civil rights struggle through today and every instance of injustice and inequality and they continue to shine a light on this thank you so much for your endeavors. [cheers] [applause] [cheers] [applause] >> i believe that none of those instances where he was welcomed into thi

you could argue that dick lugar had some influence in the 80s with apartheid and whatnot. >> there were two kinds of senators. we had joe biden and barack obama in the freshman that was looking for a new assignment. >> to point out as well this isn't so much about women but yes, there are people who go on two formulations to formulations just because they can't get on anything else and they are waiting for appropriations armed services or finance. also in terms of the labor committee, which also has a lot of women's issues and tons of democratic issues and no republicans, because they believe this program should not have been created in the first place. both of those committees, i feel like they probably suffer a lack of influence because you don't have both parties, you know, engaged in really on those issues. but that is just my opinion okay, so i wanted to ask you more than the institution of the senate and general and how that impacts the way that women navigate policymaking. are there any truisms that you think that we can say about what you have learned from studying and talking t

look what happened to dick lugar, right? or look what happened to robert bennett in utah.enzi is more a real true conservative. >> solid conservative. i just -- i don't see -- she'll pick two or three things. you know how it is in primaries. they get vicious because there aren't many differences. you have to malign the other person. you have to go after them as individuals and she'll find two or three votes to run against. it will be a matter of money and also how the people there in that very individualistic state respond to this challenge. do they like the anti-establishment character or do they say no, we're perfectly satisfied with the guy we got? >> bill: one final thing listening -- i haven't looked at the video but listening to that, she sounds like she's reading it. there is no -- really, really, really flat. i don't think that somebody -- you hear that and you say oh, i want to know more about her. we'll do a whole thing on the book but when does it come out? >> coming out in october, a month before the sad 50th anniversary of the assassination of president kenned

he's someone -- he's not like dick lugar who lost touch with indiana, didn't go home, et cetera. someone who has stayed in touch and so the people kind of -- in wyoming they're actually the people who get to choose their senator. they don't know what the rationale for liz cheney's candidacy is. what now? what did mike enzi do from the eyes of a conservative that's a fireable offense? is liz cheney a carpet bagger. she has family ties. her parents were born in wyoming but she only move to the state a year ago. so in the state, there is a healthy skepticism. she's seen as an underdog at this point. and in washington, you know, she has strong support from the cheney people. there's a lot of folks who are very excited about her candidacy, say that she's going to find a way to win. she'll way outraise the incumbent but it is setting a showdown for a real fight in the party, not just over personalities but policy. the most interesting thing so far has been rand paul has come out swinging very hard against her. dick cheney campaigned against rand paul when he was running for senate in 2