that's another area where i think dick morris influence over him was largely an illusion that dick morris created. so i didn't really see that. capital punishment, i disagree with him on that. there were substantive disagreements but there weren't a whole lot. most of those things he would say that if you can't win election you can't bring any of your beliefs to bear and you've got to work through him the nature and there were times when i only decided maybe he was wiser than i had thought when i dismissed him as a cookie cutter politician. >> host: tell me a little about your life. you live in baltimore, not washington, even though you been writing about public lives much of the central stage washington. why do live in baltimore? >> guest: my wife and i left washington in 1986 before the the resolution before our older child started grade school because we have been in washington all our lives and figured if our kids started school we would stay here the rest of our lives and really all we knew, the only people we knew were in politics and that it wasn't a representative sample, real eno

dick armey. >> more now all about fraud and abuse in the medicare and medicaid systems. from "washington journal," this is 45 minutes. host: lewis morris, department of health and human services deputy inspector general. one of his responsibilities is investigating fraud in the medicare and medicaid programs. what kind of fraud are we talking about? guest: it ranges from organized criminals setting up sham medical equipment companies to regrettably some of the large fortune 500 companies in this country. every place we look we're finding evidence of fraud. host: how pervasive? guest: it is hard to say. fraud is a crime of deception. the most effective frauds are those that go undetected. the the news is that we're using high-tech screening devices. we're using tebaldi to get a jump on these crimes faster and faster -- we are using technology to get a jump on these crimes faster and faster. host: could you go back to what you said. what kind of tools are using to investigate fraud? guest: some of it is using cutting edge technology, computer systems that are able to detect trends in billings much earlier than we used to. we also rely on