dicky budiman, you mention the chinese vaccines.y're clearly not as effective but they got there early, which was extremely significant. it does bestow some immunity. but doctors and nurses, can you talk about the death toll among them and what it would mean to supplement with these mrna vaccines like pfizer and moderna , the significance of this, the access the indonesian government has to these vaccines and we asked the same question to our guest in india, what it would mean if these waivers were put in that change the calculation of how indonesian, indian companies can start to produce these vaccines in bulk? >> i have to fairly say it at a certain level, the sinopharm there's the protection regarding even the delta variant, but -- the meaning of less effective does not mean not effective. health-care workers, we can still find many of them are protected and even mild symptomatic when they get the delta variant. of course, if we compare this messenger rna, pfizer and moderna has bigger protection in the new variant. but the probl