house, in part one because there are other procedures and avenues getting information about data, didataat is on the voter roles other than going to the secretary of state cough up social security numbers, party names, et cetera. the other thing is president trump is operating under this sort of umbrella of the claim he made early in his administration or during the transition that 3 million to 5 million people had voted illegally in 2016 when there's no evidence of that. secretaries of state looking at their own credibility, i think, are saying look, we need to know more about this, more about what the white house has in mind before we go along with it and become a part of a situation where a white house commission maybe is looking to cast doubt on a future election, 2020, or something like that. >> and patrick, among those states rejecting this request, indiana vice president mike pence's state. what does this say? >> it's really stunning, fred. i would encourage everybody to go to cnn's great story online this morning that goesz through all 50 states, cnn surveyed all 50 states, where