. >> and in dieus exmachina -- in personfully deus ex machina fashion they come forth and say "we're going to pay for the best of care, we're going to get you well if it's humanly possible we'll do this for you. we'll give you a job. we're going to make you complete and well and whole. "and walt at the end of the hour says "thank you very much but no." and then he goes jesse pinkman who at that moment he was on the outs with and he says "let's cook." >> rose: he's engaging in full-time participation in criminal activity. >> because that is the moment to me that puts the lie to -- that begins to put the lie to this idea that walter white does what he does first and foremost -- solely for his family. he's doing it in -- and that's the moment where he truly for me and i think for my writers he truly became interesting. because before that, it's relatively easy to put a character into a box story wise and say, well -- you know, the whole thing about the former special forces guy who's -- whose kids get kidnap sod that he'll go kill the president and he's got to kill the president to save