we have grant differration. you can do something else and get a higher grant and we had people chose work fare. >> there are a lot of people who say i want something more. i'm able to work 30 hours a week and i want to do that. i share your concern and i kind of see the angle you are going at and look, they're doing six hours a work and they're not getting anything out of it so job training is not preparing them for the next step. but for some, that's all we can do and they appreciate the structure and they get their cash assistance and benefits in exchange. >> do you think these individuals that do this workfare and it seems to work for them because it's enough for them to live on in their living conditions with some other assistance? don't you think a part-time job, a steady part-time job would have better outcomes for these folks? >> absolutely. why is why we offer that to them. you have the option. you can go into jobs now and go to a part-time job. you can go to job training and you can volunteer at a non-p

we have grant differration. you can do something else and get a higher grant and we had people chose work fare. >> there are a lot of people who say i want something more. i'm able to