guest of the social dillinger is for blacks? >> guest: >> yes. >> there's no question about it greedy caldwell on january 27, tomorrow night, he will be in town speaking to the civil rights institute as one of the first to graduate. he told me about the intimidation about the name calling, about the threats and the white players admitted it and all life record them in the book. and as i said a moment ago, ernest jenkins was another -- to blacks were on the team in 65, but earnest didn't make it the first light of canned so there was a tremendous amount of pressure intimidation to run them all. >> was the mood around the city of albany at that time? to deceive the integration of the one high school football team helping the city of albany and helping the state of georgia sort of move forward during the integration? >> guest: i think there's no question about it. the people who is all that were the same people that marched with dr. martin luther king when he came in 62. people involved in what was called the albany movement, and r

in dillinger of these organizations are of course on the left. this is an issue that comes primarily on the left. if the answer is in my view if you want to see whether the group on the left is part of the pro-israel group even if you hate their position or not, you need to look for soft tissues, intangible issues. can you see her love for israel? can you see is real receiving the benefit of the doubt? can you see the intent to provide the context where the actions could be understood even though it's not support, just understood? is there an attempt to show that win is rell -- israel fails but when it succeeds it is a societal look success because in many cases limousine is really success is a local marginal personal success but failure on the human rights issue that is the entire society. so these are the things to tell you where does this group stand, and i know that it's not so easy but those of us that have been in this business, we can smell and we can see and approve of the putting a lot of times is. so, that is a little bit. it's not clea

that statement means and what its implications are if any of policy has been one of the central dillinger is an american public life. why do we tolerate certain kinds of inequality but not others? what are the possibilities and limitations to creating a more just society? as a historian i don't think we can understand these questions about the present without reflecting on the past. my hope is that in addition to telling the story of the nation's capital in a pivotal period the book offers a piece in the larger puzzle of assessing the history of the quality and inequality in the united states. thanks. [applause] >> happy to take any questions or hear comments. >> i'm going to be organized beginning with turning on the microphone. and if you have a question, please, raise your hand, and i will repeat that so everyone can pick that up on tape. yes. >> [inaudible] -- the comparison between antebellum washington versus washington the civil war reconstruction. >> short, what kind of terms would you like me to compare it? >> [inaudible] -- where they were at that time [inaudible] >> well, let's

>> this again herbert putnam, the dillinger wonder who had a great ambition in the previous century.utnam felt because music was one of the fields that came to us to the copyright. go down today and look at the sheet music that's copyrighted that's going to be a major custodial division so that when the music is a custodial division and the print and photographs and all these different formats and we library ins call them special formats are the nonbook materials that shows a certain prejudice in the field i think but nonetheless, putnam had an opportunity with elizabeth coolidge and was actually sponsoring the concert to the national gallery of art and it was in the 1920's and put maneuver and what would be interested in sponsoring such concerns about the library of congress is to be the beginning of an outreach program into astrology and for the music collections to highlight what we've got. many people don't realize the number of fields in which the library of congress collections excelled. eventually he and his chief from the division persuaded mrs. coolidge to give an endowment

the fbi that existed in my mind from pop culture, the hoover-era bank robberies, kidnappings, john dillinger, bonnie and clyde that this really wasn't what the fbi did anymore. that it had grown into what i argue in the book was the fist global police force -- first global police force. and they're engaged in kidnappings in africa and gangs in central america. the fbi under robert mueller actually has worked its first case out of antarctica, and all of this national security work, all of this counterterrorism work has received very little attention, certainly compared to since 9/11 all that's been written about the cia or war in iraq or the war in afghanistan. that actually the lead agency in the u.s. war on terror is, in many ways, the fbi. >> host: and has this come at the expense of the white collar crime that they were so heavily involved in? >> guest: it has. and that's been something that mueller and the bureau and eric holder and the department of justice have been working on over the last couple of years. there has been this repriorityization has been, i think by most accounts, prett

there's the dillinger requirement they coordinate, but again, like afghanistan where we have seen an exorbitant amount of money really flowing into only three different regions of the country and it's extraordinarily difficult to crystalize who is in charge, it's either incapacitated or lack of ability and lacks the sense of how to get all of those sectors together, if the afghan government can take that on that's the place to do it from the example it sounds like on the part of the u.s. government it's not taking place you'd need an interagency mechanism both in the field both for the mission but also that here in washington to make sure that the work that's been done is aligned and certainly you don't have the duplication. >> of the village level it's to duplicate someone else's level because these are small the which is largely in the middle of nowhere and we know what's coming on and in the regular contact with the villages and the example used light that is a kabul u.s. government based decision that we don't of any influence over and communication with the great and helpful to

we don't want to do that, but we are going to make everyone dillinger interest and they will have a pool that doesn't cost very much money. so the most anticapitalist people in the world are the fortune 500. they like everything the way it is. they will be perfectly happy to keep levels of regulation height and taxes high to keep competitors out of the market with the tears disruption. they fear what is called creative destruction where someone comes with a better idea and takes the capitol and the competitive issue and that is to say the third-party payer but like everything else you don't pay for health care out of pocket so there is no competitive advantage or bargaining over the price there's no force to drive up. >> host: so in essence what you're saying is the future of the united states in the politically incorrect guide to socialism, the view is some kind of odd combination of this would you describe as the fortune 500 corporate rent seeking to gain the political system to the advantage of a large business, large employer, you have the head of ge, the company that apparently paid

we are inheriting a tremendously talented, very deep dillinger of experts about books of all kinds , and they have participated in introducing a number of the authors and are the reason that so many customers come to the store seeking their advice. they remain to carry on. >> do you see the need for politics and prose perhaps to move into the selling of digital books or an enhancement of the website? >> we are looking at enhancing the website. i think that will be important. we realize the threat from the books but it's not a threat we are going to run away from. we are hoping to provide opportunities for self publishing and we are looking at a print on demand machine like a number of other stores have required around the country.

that is going in the mainstream political world has been aired nationalism, which was a drastic dillinger, and then for a long time really nothing. small pockets of religious activism and secular political activism. nobody really articulated a brand compelling idea. and that's where hezbollah stepped in and was able really to what taken advantage of this vacuum and use its message to appeal to a whole swath of disenfranchised people who normally would have liked no trust and no interest either in islamism or perpetual war against israel. the person who helped me understand this element of his bill's strategy i met him after the war was over when i had to scrap my cargo pants and strategy and find a new way to talk to people when hezbollah, and i approached some of my lebanese friends and i said to you than you could arrange one of these underground meetings where i could get in the trunk of a car and go to a secret police and meet someone from hezbollah? and they just laughed at me and said why don't you call the press office? [laughter] so i got the number and called his bluff's press of

in fact from pulling it down on a global level with all of our field missions there's always the dillinger reporting. donors like to see outputs and results. rarely do they ask what the impact is. it's the impact most of us with character try to achieve because that's where you see the long outstanding sustainable affect. many cases where you're doing is unless you have a horizon of time that exceeds two years, you are not going to measure the impact you're going to measure results that are achieved. whether or not the results stick, whether or not the results have changed behavior of population base affect is the key dilemma of our industry and all ngos are faced with that dilemma. but how to do it at a pragmatic level we've always created a set of indicators on how we are going to have least get result based. >> of mr. bower's could elaborate more and tell me where you would agree or disagree. so, give me an example of something that would be a measurement. >> one measurement right now a very specific example is of five years ago created a microfinance institution in kabul to serve women

now think about it, this is a young woman who basically dillinger is the most powerful person in the country, some small farmer, this is the president of the united states with all of the military and political power in the country at its back and call, but she is so driven by her own desire for freedom not to mention she writes about and talks about the inspiration from the haitian revolution which happened in the early 79 these and whether your letter it or not every single slave in the country knew about the haitian revolution but there were also in the american revolution, so think about it. the people were enslaved to jefferson and the other presidents they were there at every moment when the discussions and it's about american democracy, american freedom, the principles of the country were happening. they had more of an easier and more of and access to those debates and discussions than any of the journalists and scholars and people writing about the government at the time. so how could they not be influenced? how could they not understand these contradictions much more profoun

>> when there is in dillinger and we have enforcement powers under the safe water drinking act. >> thank you. >> again, think you for your testimony. let me point out that the epa has authority to act in certain areas. and obviously, if we think it's not adequate then we will look at taking action and senator kec is introduce legislation. but it seems to me that it's pretty clear is a relates to the waste water treatment facility issues on the fluid's returned to the surface it's my understanding there is still seven waste-water treatment facility plants taking today the fluids coming out of fracking, and what you're own agency already acknowledging that it presents a threat to human help i would hope would be the highest priority as you will get the appropriate role for the epa. i think senator udall's pond concerning the eisel issue is one also requires the epa to take a more definitive action and senator merkley has raised important issue also so i hope that you will good on tv to respond to the urgency of some of these issues. as you will be pointed out you have the authority and it'

the marketplace and the developments in the cases that the presumption sort of shift into the ring dillinger direction. but that's just not you. >> i want to pose this question to you and then we are going to the audience because both chairman stearns and myself mentioned the sunshine act and of course the sunshine act requires no more than two members of the commission of the five member commission can meet together in private to discuss issues so when the commissioners do want to communicate there's a lot of circular meetings around them and their staff and we are familiar with that. i know commissioner copps has for many years advocate changing the sunshine act, and i did a report on that for the conference about 15 years ago suggesting some changes, and i know michael powell did and other commissioners, but i thought the -- i might be wrong but chairman genachowski has spoken to this issue -- what is -- if he has a few media can tell us what it is or if not what your view is for changing the sunshine act. >> he's not on the subject and is happy to be a resource to congress if they want t

in 96 in which begins it is obvious this huge financial crisis but it's also more of a spiritual dillinger tropical crisis, so he went beyond the kind of just he didn't like what's happened in the last 30 years and really didn't leave him to rethink all kind of issues of 100, 200 years ago people like to fill and the founders and go back even to the political philosophy so i do think in that respect it's such a good joke he couldn't resist at the time of crime but i've always thought there is an injustice to the downfall of the others because it was more than just getting mugged by reality or the was the first thing they solve these issues in a much more comprehensive way. >> host: i guess one is just respect for the british wool values and the immigrant family dahlias and he might say it's not transcendent but they are useful. second and this he writes about quite a bit in this book is the american creed and the philosophy of the american founding in the third, the virtuous, the big virtues and we haven't talked much about your mother the great historian of the victorian thought and certa

businesses to dillinger india which is next door. so i think a lot of that comparative, you know, analyzing is going on when they are looking to base the manufacturing facilities, where are we going to base these things? i know you secure in the position to describe what pakistan's competitive advantage was, but if you could talk about some things pakistan can do to facilitate business is going to pakistan whether it is treating a strategic dominica strategy how pakistan is a good investment in the u.s. or sponsoring trade delegations and business delegations because i think there's the convening power of government we can facilitate these private sector missions to u.s. private sector missions to pakistan. if you could talk a little bit about those efforts. thank you. >> mr. minister you noticed this is a savvy audience. everyone takes to advantage of the microphone to ask two questions. [laughter] >> yes. do i selectively pick one of them? [laughter] >> again, i think that you're absolutely right that in the end of, we want or what

they made a strategic decision and that strategic decision was we would have dillinger streets to keep the businesses going and avoid unemployment. from the standpoint of the western investors this was bill law of the decade because we couldn't invest in japan and the japanese looked at them and said we haven't realized the purpose of japan was to give you opportunities to make money. the achieved what they wanted in the this is one of the important things we talk about and sophistication to be the understanding with the japanese were afraid of, unemployment. and you could understand why the policy wasn't stupid. it made perfect sense, the debt level has reached the point of probably unsustainable. they're going to unleash growth and social instability. the of one of vantage that china doesn't really don't have 1 billion people living and third world poverty. china does and the chinese are bitterly aware of that which is how big increasing security crackdown everywhere, moving the people's liberation army, having the crises and secession of what we just saw and also investing anywhere

including the ones the border yemen really have come to see the potential danger to them of the state dillingeremen it would inevitably have the spillover effect if nothing else because when yemen runs out of water in a few years you're going to have a huge flood of refugees coming across the border to be unmanageable and this may be an example in which there really is a collective recognition of an imminent threat it doesn't cost them anything to try to talk to people and to negotiate and it doesn't threaten the sovereignty of the individual members the way that bahrain did so this may be an example where the gcc actually might perform a unified command function is and is editor general that seems more inclined to go down those lines. >> and if i could follow up on what tom said likely than two yen in once and i made a mistake of flying into yemen from dubai and that gave me the wrong impression about him in because i was really literally going back in time. but the point of the demographic explosion, substance abuse, dropping oil production, you name it, they are from different fronts and you

in dillinger of these organizations are of course on the left. this is an issue that comes primarily on the left. if the answer is in my view if you want to see whether the group on the left is part of the pro-israel group even if you hate their position or not, you need to look for soft tissues, intangible issues. can you see her love for israel? can you see is real receiving the benefit of the doubt? can you see the intent to provide the context where the actions could be understood even though it's not support, just understood? is there an attempt to show that win is rell -- israel fails but when it succeeds it is a societal look success because in many cases limousine is really success is a local marginal personal success but failure on the human rights issue that is the entire society. so these are the things to tell you where does this group stand, and i know that it's not so easy but those of us that have been in this business, we can smell and we can see and approve of the putting a lot of times is. so, that is a little bit. it's not clea

in dillinger of these organizations are of course on the left. this is an issue that comes primarily on the left. if the answer is in my view if you want to see whether the group on the left is part of the pro-israel group even if you hate their position or not, you need to look for soft tissues, intangible issues. can you see her love for israel? can you see is real receiving the benefit of the doubt? can you see the intent to provide the context where the actions could be understood even though it's not support, just understood? is there an attempt to show that win is rell -- israel fails but when it succeeds it is a societal look success because in many cases limousine is really success is a local marginal personal success but failure on the human rights issue that is the entire society. so these are the things to tell you where does this group stand, and i know that it's not so easy but those of us that have been in this business, we can smell and we can see and approve of the putting a lot of times is. so, that is a little bit. it's not clea

>> when there is in dillinger and we have enforcement powers under the safe water drinking act. >> thank you. >> again, think you for your testimony. let me point out that the epa has authority to act in certain areas. and obviously, if we think it's not adequate then we will look at taking action and senator kec is introduce legislation. but it seems to me that it's pretty clear is a relates to the waste water treatment facility issues on the fluid's returned to the surface it's my understanding there is still seven waste-water treatment facility plants taking today the fluids coming out of fracking, and what you're own agency already acknowledging that it presents a threat to human help i would hope would be the highest priority as you will get the appropriate role for the epa. i think senator udall's pond concerning the eisel issue is one also requires the epa to take a more definitive action and senator merkley has raised important issue also so i hope that you will good on tv to respond to the urgency of some of these issues. as you will be pointed out you have the authority and it'

and mostly happened and when they can out of a new demonstration of the events on february 14th dillinger wednesday, the government really got upset. the couldn't believe so many people showed up for that event. they thought they had already taken care of the green movement but not necessarily to be orie 14th we saw massive presence of opposition actors in the streets of tehran and major cities but we also saw the governments in many irrational ways reacting out of repressive we crushing the movement on the street level. one thing we learned february 14 this the whole february 14 the event was organized as a way of revering or inspecting what happened in egypt and tunisia. and so much of that was the reaction to what happened in the arab streets and in the regime was free surprised and the second most important thing was the reactive measures in order to stifle the sense and a great example of that was of course for the first time they decided to address to the so-called leaders of the movement. they were recently released and they still have them on house arrest by the way. terrie all th

>> when there is in dillinger and we have enforcement powers under the safe water drinking act. >> thank you. >> again, think you for your testimony. let me point out that the epa has authority to act in certain areas. and obviously, if we think it's not adequate then we will look at taking action and senator kec is introduce legislation. but it seems to me that it's pretty clear is a relates to the waste water treatment fality issues on the fluid's returned to the surface it's my understandi tre is still seven waste-water treatment facility plants taking today the fluids coming out of fracking, and what you're own agency already acknowledging that it presents a threat to human help i would hope would be the highest priority as you will get the appropriate role for the epa. i think senator udall's pond concerning the eisel issue is one also requires the epa to take a more definitive action and senator merkley has raised important issue also so i hope that you will good on tv to respond to the urgency of some of these issues. as y will be pointed out you have the authority and it's now yo