policy focus journal the national interest dimitri simes it's great to have you on the show today let me just ask you as we have now moved into an inflection point politically at least in the united states and as both countries are sort of trying to figure out how to manage their equities their interests i know you have a very realist lens of how to get that right what do you think is most important right now for joe biden to try and accomplish with lattimer putin. things if as soon as the most important. american ship going to go into this. new way would look at it can you google. for it is simple in principle motivated you to accomplish because if you were better allies whoa you would go. to put it in there. for good to go nuclear weapons well then you're going to design so it's quite a challenge for them to write about them you know one of the things you wrote recently in the national interest is the united states had to decide whether it wanted to be a hedge of monic democratic empire that prevented anyone else from basically having a say in the world or whether it had to recogniz

relations for decades dimitri simes is an author and professor on soviet and russian studies and an expert in geo strategic affairs he's met with putin and he said vised american presidents on relations with each other and he's the president and c.e.o. of the center for the national interest and publisher of the foreign policy focus journal the national interest dimitri simes it's great to have you on the show today let me just ask you as we have now moved into an inflection point politically at least in the united states and as both countries are sort of trying to figure out how to manage their equities their interests i know you have a very realist lens of how to get that right what do you think is most important right now for joe biden to try and accomplish with lattimer putin. i things affairs is most important. to the american ship but if you go into this. new way the good nobody can you who will. be simple in principle motivated you to accomplish because if you are better allies but if you have wall you would go russia. and if you were to put him in there were to. others that you for