>> guest: well, dinesh d'souza is, i think, one of our outstanding young writers.his book "the end of racism," i thought, was fabulous, really did a terrific job of laying out the whole problem of race in america today in a dispassionate way, but at the same time, in a way that suggests that our approach to the problem deserves some fundamental rethinking. so--and i know him; i've met him before, and i think we have a mutual respect for each other's work. c-span: chapter on slavery--what's the premise? >> guest: the premise is that the founders really did believe that all human beings of all races are created equal, that they're endowed by god with equal rights, and that the government's job is to respect that. that's the premise. now the question then becomes: well, how in the world can we justify jefferson and washington and madison owning slaves in the face of this? how do we make sense out of this? so i tried to do that. i tried to show that the--first of all, that the founders really did say that blacks were created equal to whites. there's a quote on--i think

. >> that was filmmaker dinesh d'souza on our "the kelly file" special who is teaching our kids talkingdecided to sort of abandon their protest movement in favor of instead teaching the next generation in classrooms around this country. and tonight a new book reveals the story of one more, ronald fliegelman took over the bomb making after three blew themselves of working on a bomb. soon after took on a new gig, teaching children in the new york city public schools. the author that broke this story joins me now. brian burr ro is a special correspondent at "vanity fair." the forgotten age of revolutionary violence, brian, great to see you. wow. so obviously we had a long exchange with professor ayers and documented not only his history as a domestic terrorist but his stint as a college professor getting a state paycheck from the, you know big brother against whom he railed. he's still getting taxpayer dollars. >> he is. as a matter of fact, it's funny. if you go back and look at the most senior ten to 12 members of the weather underground leadership, i would say eight or nine ultimately e