the other issue is something calledizeology among people that have discession. there are some who want more density and cars and less density and less cars. it doesn't really say anything in that regard. it says both but it doesn't say that neighborhood x has to have density and neighborhood y doesn't. it doesn't exclusively say that. people would like to have a firmer statement in one camp or the other. the truth is we have hard enough time with it being in the middle. the other thing i think that gets lost in the debate again is that numbers are -- yes, about housing numbers but also about population growth and to the extent that we in the planning department, when people decide to move to san francisco, they don't say let me check out the planning department and what housing opportunities there are. unfortunately it doesn't work that way. if it did we could control people who are boarding muni and calibrate the housing that we would build and for the people that we would know that are coming or people that already live here, etc. but the problem is not how de