on divisadero, there's a restaurant on the second floor. >> supervisor safai: it's the kitchen itself. it's not -- >> supervisor kim: i think it's important for there to be a more level playing field. i'm not saying, make it as difficult as it is for restaurants, but i think it should be a level playing field. and maybe we should look at making it simpler and easier for our restaurants to open up as we look at the permitting process. i do think that the cafeteria should have a baseline above and beyond what is required today. >> supervisor tang: on that note, supervisor kim, there is staff that our office advocated for, somebody that examined what a restaurant needs to go through to open. it was probably 30 to 40 pages back and front. so, you know, i think with the new, i guess, permitting center opening in the next year or two, to get that shrunken down. i remembered one other question i had. are the smaller kitchens without exhaust ventilations allowed without a c.u. in these companies? >> supervisor safai: what do you mean? >> supervisor tang: aren't there two distinctions? >> supe

they had a store on divisadero street, they weren't able to sustain that, but they owned the building, and because of the c.u.s in that area -- or sorry, the restrictions around formula retails in that area, they weren't able to find a lease for a really long time, and you know, then, once they did find a potential tenant, they had to go through this whole c.u. process. and so what would -- what would you say to an example like that, like, where you, again, have a small business owner in this case who's trying -- is there a reporting process in which they can kind of show their due diligence in this time or anything like that? >> yeah. thank you for that, and i think both comments -- you know, this is definitely part of the thinking around the refund is that we do want to -- we know that there are some -- i'm trying to think of the word -- kind of serial vacancies whereby there are those owners that are kind of like, they've been vacant for 15, 20 years, and those are the folks that i think is very frustrating. i think we don't want to penalize, though, property owners that are operat