they relied on the dmca we don't know who was putting the legal music on our service that people use that are getting away with basically distributing our music without paying a sore the below market rate we cannot get the value that music deserves as long as budget dmca is attached we would really love to see congress focus on back. >> host: $50 billion of illegal downloads? according to your web site. has that changed since the of lysine -- licensing interactive services? >> that is the big thing is that they have reduced the incentive for piracy because if you can get the music you want then why would you go to the illegal site to download especially they have spam wear and now we're in what you don't want. but piracy continues to evolve and there are other problems. this is international sophisticated ways that are engaged. . . to make the payment structure more convenient. >> the narrative of artist and songwriters feeling like they don't understand where their money is coming from is not new. but i think we are living in a world today where everything is trackable. so the nsa c

of regulatory processes working and so every three years the copy right office has to evaluate the dmca to make sure research is able to be advanced and recently the copy right office said that as a part of doing good-faith research, you do so on a car, right, and get beyond encryption systems. so it's a great example of an agile system working properly. >> licensing the software to operate something and if you try to modify it or transfer it or do something else. >> we can't have it all ways, right? we can't say that we want connected cars moving down the highway and be secure and same while at the same time we want everybody to be able to get into that and stop that while it is moving. >> we want open software where we can see what's in control and have control over the vehicle. >> to be clear, i do advocate for an open system of improving software. so that's an important differentiator, there are models out there that people don't want to own their car anymore. [laughter] >> this may be -- it may no longer be a problem which opens possibility of others. >> i appreciate y'all's commen