marks.joe for anyone interested, the congress considers extending the dmca exemption right now. there particular things you would like them to rewrite in it to give you broader room to there anynd is concerted effort, either commenting or otherwise, to try to do that? good question.a so i think in the original dmca safe harbor provision for reverse engineering for security purposes. was never litigated or was a validied what security purpose and none of the researcher wanted to be the test for that. so a lot of people tiptoed inund and dipped their toe and had several friends who have been intimidated and their dmcarch shut down by threat. it's common in the security conference world to have your talks pulled at the last second because the manufacturer threatens them with a lawsuit. specifick the exemption was for electronic voting machine technology and pretty clearly written. i think matt blaze and coalition of academics were active in the workedet correct -- wording correct. that should be permanent but issue,just one electronic voting. what about automobiles? what about othe

dmca and theth the way we could defend ourselves. the second one was a giant storm where the roof collapsed on a county where they were keeping their voting machines. the county totaled out all of the items including the voting machines. there was no purchase sale agreement on the voting machines. the insurance company did not want it. they give it away to an ,lectronics recycler who then now have the equipment with no nda and no purchase agreement signed. now if we get our hands on these machines we are not violating any rules or civil law. the manufacturer contacted them pleased, could you disassemble all of the machines and you know, basically take them out of commission. he said, sure. how much do want to pay me for each machine? they said, we want to use zero. he said, well do want to buy the machines that? he said, no. he said, well, he back anytime you want to buy the back. and he started selling them on ebay. so ladies and gentlemen, the voting machine. we have this culture of exploring things and hacking them and publishing

>> version two, so next year as last year under the dmca. harri, when we find out if he gets renewed? >> the first application time is already over. i do not off the top of the head know my schedule. last year we had, that was in may when we had the last -- >> so we might know if it's going to be extended or not. we will be able to adjust what we do next to her, but idea is we want to get our hands on, the part that are hard to get her hands-on is a backend software that ties the voting machines together to tabulate, to accumulate votes, to provision of voting ballots and to run the elections and to figure out a winner. and boy, we really want to have a complete voting system to attack the people can attack the network. they can attack the physical machines. they can go after the databases. this is a mind-boggling part. just like this is is the firste this is really been done with no ndaa. phish have been a test of the complete system. this is mind-boggling. kerry can probably tell you ten different base of all stories while that's been but