let me start with you dmitri alperovitch. what can the u.s.do government wise, military wise, but also company wise? >> we need a policy, a national policy, for dealing with this problem, both the national security espionage that's taking place and more importantly the economic espionage taking place for the last six or seven years. that policy needs to involve full tilt of national power. economic power, diplomatic power. we need to pressure the chinese and let them know there will be real costs to our relationship, to our trade partnership with china as a result of this activity. and we need to involve the private sector. right now the private sector is playing the role of the victim. they're told by the government "go sit in the corner and report when you're attacked." the private sector needs to make it more difficult and weigh the costs and risks to the adversaries infiltrating our networks. >> brown: jim lewis, what's your position? >> two thing. we need to harden our defenses. the executive order president obama put out in february does