and here in moscow, we have dmitri bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor, and he knows me internet media project. originally across stock rolls and back, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, so with glen in oslo. glenn, you know, with the overly last week couple of weeks here with getting a lot of mixed signals out of nato to the point it seems to me looking at their discourse, is that it's turning into a modicum of panic. um, worrying about escalation and the them were the need for negotiation on the rhetoric that ukraine is, winning seems to be fading away. so read the tea leaves for me. what do you, where we are, where are we right now? go ahead. well, in any conflict it's, it's not easy, but it's possible to foresee when each party will be inclined towards negotiating. so for example, when both sides believe they can win this little chance of negotiation. obviously, nano has been quite optimistic that they could, that they could win, which is why a lot of the rhetoric has been