he is a professor of political science and european studies at vanderbilt university. and here in moscow we have dmitri slough, he's the deputy director of the center for comprehensive european and international studies. at the higher school of economics. i totally cross talk roles and effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want, and i always appreciate, let me go to john. first in paris we have an impasse, not the 1st time in the repeating year when it comes to foreign policy. last time we had the semblance of a good relations was back in 2014, before the 4th regime change, and it's been downhill ever since. so where do we stand right now? and i, and i want to talk, ask on our, our panelists, dmitri, why should we even care anymore? it's been 7 years. i mean, well, what's the point we've gotten used to not being together? go ahead, john. well, let's, let's remind ourselves that the european union is as the slave israel has shown, is a dysfunctional organization. and you just said in your question, why should we care? i don't think russia does need to care. it's a dysfunctional organization because we can see t