and germany to send tanks to ukraine, or a direct involvement in the war. dmitri pascal said on thursday that both european capitals and washington keep saying that the delivery of various kinds of weapons systems, including tanks to ukraine. absolutely does not mean the involvement of these countries or the nato alliance in the hostilities ongoing in ukraine. we categorically disagree with that. moscow views everything that the alliance and the capitals i have mentioned are doing as direct involvement in the conflict. we can see it growing. all right, from warren, all this i'm joined by our guests in moscow is paula falcon, our an independent defense and military analyst in brussels. is theresa fallon, director of the center for russia, europe, asia studies and in berlin is olaf bunker belinda, director of rasmussen, global a political consultancy firm, a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story at teresa, let me start with you today, how significant is this decision by the u. s. and germany to send tanks to ukraine? and does this constitute a turn