dmytro dmytro kyrylchuk, deputy of the zaporozhye city council, was with us , and now we will move to sumyshchyna andriana kostenko, doctor of political science, head of the center for social studies and member of the board of the public organization sumyshchyna's intellect, we are in touch with ms. andriana dobrogo good morning to you good morning congratulations for the glorious sumyshchyna how did sumyshchyna meet this morning was there shelling from artillery or was it quiet unfortunately sumyshchyna suffers from systematic shelling of the border territories the day before, the communities of bilopol, yunakiv, miropol, and novoslobod were attacked by mortars and artillery, and in our local mass media, we receive regular reports about the suffering of the local population, in particular , the day before, there were injuries to a civilian , and a woman was also injured. the husband of the driver of the local school of one of the communities of the shostka district well, that is, we see that our villages have already adapted to the fact that every night, as a rule, there are such and such shellings. and we also observe that the result of these e attacks is, well, in fact, a large number of fields in the region, which are located near the border, today they are unsuitable for sowing, in order for them to be cultivated, and e farms often cannot use these fields because they are strewn with e-e shells very often such shells that did not explode and require further measurement ms. andriano with three russian regions . sumyshchyna borders, can you see what is happening in bryansk region , belgorod region, and what else kursk is there, and we we receive information only from official sources. and actually, we follow the rules recommended by the regional military administration in general, so we see that from official sources only, we see that there is not quite the correct handling of explosive devices and howitzers, unlike we are not so happy about our enemies, but we hope that such certain not quite correct and correct behavior will make the local population understand that something needs to be done with their power and finally it is possible reconsider your attitude to the war, don't call it a military operation . i want to say that in fact, a large number of the population of sumy oblast had acquaintances, had relatives, even had even friends, e. here are these contacts and , unfortunately, even these kinds of human relations did not influence the fact that the russians who live nearby and really see the situation that is happening in our region in ukraine so that they in a certain way somehow wanted and were able to influence the authorities and in a certain way stop these crimes that are being committed against our state, if we are talking about sumyshchyna , we talked last time with viktor vyberenko on this topic. somewhere there is more eastern than, for example, kharkiv region if you look at the map, but sumy region has always stood out as the most pro-ukrainian , if we talk about the eastern region, these were the results of the fourth year of elections, for example, under yushchenko of course, this was in relation to the student march to kyiv in the fourth year and with oleg, oleg medunytsia, and then he headed it there, then became a deputy, and so on. well, that is, sumyshchyna has always been such a ukrainian stronghold and the sums withstood er heroically withstood during the invasion a year ago the city spent so much time under siege, what is the secret of sumy oblast, in your opinion, what is its identity , because this is a question that worries us all, because it is so to kharkiv oblast, why is there such a striking difference , actually, eh? yes, i, as a scientist, eh, even studied this issue and we see several reasons. well, first of all, we must say that sumy is a mini-country. it is a small model of ukraine and it is not homogeneous, that is, on the one hand, we have sumy. we have konotop. we have other territorial communities. in which there is a very powerful ukrainian identity and also an understanding of the national idea, and this is probably connected historically with the roots and the emergence of this territory, its organization as a community, since the cossack era, and also we have, well, border territories of our at the time, on the eve of the war, i had certain fears, but in relation to kharkiv oblast, in relation to shostka, in relation to shostka, in relation to the middle, it would be yampol . these are the communities that are very close to the border and which at one time had close economic , social, and family ties with border russians, e.e. communities of russia, cities of russia and actually on the contrary, this war showed that the local population as well as the local authorities were able to show their resilience in a certain way, and it seems to me to a greater extent that this is due to a strong civil society, that is, so important the reason that distinguishes us from other regions of the eastern regions of ukraine is that we have a sufficiently powerful civil society , which is a stronghold of ukrainian identity, which spreads the values of democracy, spreads the values of such freedom, in fact, how strange it is that our activists public organizations somewhere, they force and control the local government, and there are the risks that i spoke about in some communities of the border areas, after all, we forced the authorities to react correctly in a certain way and to report, to shed light, in fact, on during the full-scale invasion, there were not so many collaborators in sumyshchyna, we were very happy about it, we would have talked about it in the mass media and worked with the local authorities even before that, that is, history , a strong civil society, and apparently this is the value of the value of one's land, the value of one's own to the house of understanding who are you, the understanding of history, of your understanding, that , well, i will really repeat the words of the former president of ukraine, ukraine is in russia, but we have this clear understanding in ukraine, not in sumy oblast, so in the end, i know that the neighbors is they are bigger and richer there, i mean now, donbas is kharkiv oblast. they often considered sumy, if anything, their vassal territory since the days of yanukovych kuchma, they shoved their so-called governors there, and all those looking on. i think the time is coming when the regions can learn from the police in vain a lot of things from sumy region, how to actually build this recipe. it seems to me that national identity with and above all such a political nation are very good components, that is, knowledge of one's history, as well as the construction of civil society at different levels and here is the activity of er and well so that mrs. andrianu no longer has anything special to ask thank you mrs. andriano for the conversation andriana kostenko doctor of political sciences and head of the center for social research member of the organization of the public organization the intellect of sumy region talked a little about this mystery sumy oblast, why does it, despite the fact that it borders three russian oblasts, have such a strong ukrainian core that even another ukrainian oblast can succeed in it? people from the kharkiv region are on the screens and think what they are saying. dance on the congo maidan. where is zhadan from? where did he come to lviv to teach everyone? well, we remember how he came to lviv in the 90s and immediately became a superstar at political festivals. of course, and not without that. where everything even faded glory to ukraine glory to the heroes of kharkiv left the card from kharkiv oblast as they say kharkiv residents are friends, but when it comes to such and such, that is , well, it's amazing how they voted from the very beginning who watched this monkey of votes sumyshchyna was always like that, it was pro-ukrainian, bigger, that's how it was. well, war is a big changer. it's just a question of what we learn from which examples and how do we want to change? well, it seems to me that we all still want to become there is a big section, i even think that when they were talking with dmytroe says who wanted to leave and who didn’t want to stay, but to a certain extent it does not apply to all regions, not from everywhere, it was easy to leave, some simply got hostages, so in the kherson region happened once and for all people are still trying to cross the dnieper by boat, fearing the risk, and some of them arrive injured, some are killed on the dnieper, well, that is, it is, it is, it is. well, some simply stayed and left, wanting to acquire a new russian identity. some may want to acquire a ukrainian identity among russians , such as nevzorov, for example. i don't know any , i came there, i don't know ilya novikov , i already speak ukrainian well, i moved to ukraine and it's ok, it's ok and the other friends , finish our first hour today marathon, this means that news and a fresh selection are coming , and believe in koval, she will tell you them. thank you colleagues. literally in a moment about the situation in different regions of our country. on the espresso tv chan