thank god that levko lukyanenko and dmytro pavlychko and everyone else seized this opportunity and took advantage of it, and that happened. it seemed incredible and so it seemed . returning to the question of independence , do we always know why we are not dependent? that is, we have now realized how much it really is, how much it is, it is an incredibly great opportunity when a country is independent, when a country can develop and at the same time does not leave the feeling that 30 years to a certain extent, maybe somewhere they were wasted. do you share this feeling and will it give us a certain impulse when this war is ended with a ukrainian victory? i don't think that er historians of the future will evaluate these 30 and now 31 years as uh, exclusively and exclusively a waste, that is, in my opinion, uh, everything developed. that's how and only how it could develop, we entered independence with a completely post-soviet society in which a certain time was needed, a certain adaptation to this very idea uh, and which today, well, actually already in the fourth decade of the year aft

democratic and minority that we have in the parliament was thank god that levko lukyanenko and dmytro pavlychko and everyone-everyone-everyone and others seized this opportunity and took advantage of it, and so what happened that could have seemed like something absolutely incredible to my parents, and it seemed so . grandparents, but i remember how my father and mother could not believe their happiness that here we are also independent . dependence that is, we have now realized how much it really is, how much it is, it is an incredibly great opportunity when the country is independent, when the country can develop and at the same time does not leave the feeling that 30 years to a certain extent may have been wasted somewhere, do you share this feeling and will it give us a certain impetus when this war will end with a ukrainian victory, i don't think that historians of the future will judge these 30 and now 31 years as exceptionally and exclusively wasted, that is, in my opinion, everything developed exactly yes and only as it could develop, we entered independence with a completely post-sovie

i followed the passage of documents. partner with dmytro pavlychko, who had an influence on leonid makarovichchuk leonid makarovich kravchuk trusted him, trusted him and his intuition, and when we voted well, there was already some kind of fatigue and such a question well, why did it have to happen like this, and in fact, even at the final stage of the national liberation struggles that led to the creation of a modern state, the mobilization of the creative potential of the patriotic potential of the entire nation was needed. i am not talking about that previous history where people there, uh, hundreds of thousands laid down their lives for ukraine, i mean the upa, i mean our other heroes , that's why our state is a geopolitical phenomenon from outside the borders, maybe no one helped us create it it was created precisely by the age-old struggle for will and freedom, mr. zayets, you really mentioned the authorship of the declaration of independence and the creation of an independent ukrainian state, and actually among the authors there is, well, i don’t know if it is correct to say so. please

already pavlychko, came running from the marching bureau with a sheet on which this text was already printed and gives him standing behind garmyder, there is a noise in the session hall, and dmytrovasyliovych gives this piece of paper to kravchuk and says he will vote, this is after kravchuk, after a short pause, says "maybe on monday" let's postpone the voting pavlychko again after a short pause, he says, "what kind of soul is this dmytro vasyliovych, and in his uh first volume, he mentions this well, and this is with his own ears , uh, so to speak, he heard this in front of him, he was not offended at all and made another small pause, for some reason he was delaying putting to the vote, then when i was in one of my programs where i invited leonid makarovych , i asked him why you, what did you delay? so further he says i knew what u in the basement there in the assembly hall in the cinema hall , the communist faction headed by gorenik is finishing up the meeting. here they already had the final decision. wow , they will support this act or not with their faction, because he says, i was afraid that when i put it to a vote, we will not even get 226 votes and that there will be a