was agreed upon and, in general, whether peace is needed in ukraine and china, i will talk to dmytro yefremov, an expert of the ukrainian association of chinese studies. mr. dmytro, i congratulate you and glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. good evening, mr. dmytro, what was the main goal anyway dmytro kuleba's visit to the celestial empire and can it be called so successful? sorry for the pun, the purpose was to make a visit, a visit, the purpose of a visit was to make a visit, right? would you please explain what is meant, that is, a visit for the sake of a visit, yes? basically yes, that's basically what i meant, but it was such a test. yes, because i will remind you that china ignored ukraine for a long time, tried to avoid contacts with the highest officials and diplomats of ukraine, and now we have a precedent that shows that something has changed, something china changed its mind and began to change approach, this visit, let's say, does not show us at the moment that china began to interpret or explain something differently, but the fact that it agreed to such... dialogue, moreover,