we at the dnc, dnc members, dnc bylaws.know you noted in alabama, it's just true that the dnc has very little decision making process for those campaigns or ability. i think the other thing is that we've been talking a lot since we first met in may, and there's been i think a lot of evolution with the new dnc, with chairman perez, with deputy chair keith elson, and a lot of things we want to see. $1.5 million in virginia. there's a new exec board, a new budget committee. we've got to give them that chance. we're not even in a new year for the administration and we're barely in a a new month for the new dnc membership. so my opinion is we let them do what they do best without sharing our budget insight with potential opponents, with general public but make sure that it's being shown to the budget and exec committee. >> and i'd like to move to table this resolution. okay, fine, fine. >> it won't take but a second because this may be a solution. first of all, i do need to clear up it's not a secret committee. the budget and fi

we'll be going to the dnc. for people around the country who want reform in the party and make it stronger, who want to see the number of super delegates radically reduced, want to open up the primaries, who want to make the caucuses more open and transparent, who want the party to be more accountable, there's a long way to go and the people of the grass roots have to get involved and stay involved as we move through this process. there is going to have to be polite and respectful communication with dnc members about where people at the grass roots stand in terms of these reforms to ensure that these reforms get through. particularly on the issue of super delegates we all understand that the dnc members themselves will be voting to bind themselves on the first ballot of presidential voting at the convention in the future and for many of them that will be a position that will be difficult or that they don't want to take. but that is what was mandated by the dnc, the convention in 2016, the highest authority in t

once the dnc achieved supporters to match the allocations the dnc shall collect the presidential preference and the alternate as applicable. the dnc shall make public the identity of each category 3 delegate and each alternate as applicable and the candidate for which they have a binding presidential preference. if the state chair or dnc determined a sufficient number of delegates, supporting candidates after alternate delegates the state chair, the dnc shall determine bylot respectively supporting the candidate supporting their vote at the national convention. and voted as and the states. and report a requisite number of proportions required to reach the presidential candidate allocation of category 2 and category 3 delegates. thank god i read to my kids every night so i can do that. >> i feel as if when i sign up for something on my phone and a tiny print thing that goes on for pages there should be a little agree button in the corner. it was amazing. >> we wanted to ensure it was not tiny print but loudly spoken print. that is the amended language before us. any discussion? seeing no dis

once the dnc has achieved the requisite number of supporters for each candidate, the dnc seven collect a written presidential preference from each candidate and delegate as applicable. the dnc shall make public the identity of each category three delegate and any alternates as applicable, and the candidate for which they have submitted a presidential preference. if the state's chair or the dnc determines there is still an insufficient number of category two or three delegates respectively, supporting candidates proportionately, after attending to allocate alternate delegates, the state's whichdnc will determine delegate respectively shall pass the vote at the national convention. however, instead of passing the vote to an alternate, the vote to the delicate chosen will be abstain and during the roll call of the states. the secretary will then report the requisite number of additional votes to tea the proportions required to reach the correct presidential candidate allocation of category two and category three delegates. and that is it. thank god i read to my kids every night so i can d

the areas where the dnc fell short. it's critically important and that starts now that the dnc does not put its thumb on the scale. nothing the dnc or party officials do to give a primary candidate in unfair advantage. toward that end we announced a while back that one innovation we are going to do to make sure we are true to that admonition is we are going to announce her to the schedule the democratic primary well in advance of when we know when who the candidates are so there's no perception that there is a thumb on the scale for any one candidate. i know there are other things we could do and that's why we have this commission and i'm committed to make sure that our fund-raising agreements are transparent and available to all of the candidates. we need to make sure we give voters more opportunities to participate in our primaries and we are doing just that. the recommendations here on the primaries are some of the most important things we can do. it makes absolutely no sense to me to have a voter registration deadli

chairs, vice chairs, dnc committeeman, dnc committeewomen. the remaining super delegates will be the members of congress, governor and other distinguished party leaders. so i just want to make it clear that that's -- those are going to be the remaining super delegates and all the other state level folks who were super delegates will continue to be delegates to the convention but their vote will be tied to how their primary or caucus votes. >> i think we explicitly stated in the second -- the next one we're going to adopt. >> are we prepared to vote on one? okay. all those in favor of one, please raise your hands. it's unanimous. recommendation is adopted. we are going to move to number two. in regards to current unpledged delegates, the commission concurs with the 2016 democratic national convention that democratic members of congress, governors and distinguished party leaders remain automatic delegates and unpledged on all matters before the convention and that dnc members remain automatic delegates but that their vote be pledged only with r

so state chairs, vice chairs, dnc committee men, dnc committee women. the remaining super delegates will be the members of congress, governors and other distinguished party leaders. so i just want to make it clear that those are going to be the remaining super delegates and then all the other state level folks who were super delegates will continue to be delegates to the convention but their vote will be tied to the primary or caucus votes. >> i think we explicitly stated in the second, the next one we're going to adopt. >> are we prepared to vote on one? okay, all those in favor of one please raise your hands. okay, rechldatiommendation is a. okay, we are going to move to number two. in regards to current unpledged delegates the commission conquers with the 2016 national convention that democratic members of congress, governors and distinguished party leaders remain automatic delegates and unpledged on all matters before the convention and that dnc members remain automatic delegates but that their vote be pledged only with respect to the first ballot o

of the dnc.orning. >> so let's start with alabama. i know alabama was a big win for democrats, and now there's fuelled talk about potentially flipping the senate in 2018. what's the potential? i know you're optimistic about it, but the potential really for the dnc to take the senate, considering you have to keep the seats you have and flip a few red states? >> i think we learned a couple of lessons. first of all, doug jones ran a terrific race. the dnc invested early in our communities down there, a million dollars around organizing, working with faith communities, elected officials like congresswoman terri sewell, and we know when we lead with our values, when we invest in communities and do the hard work, we can actually produce these incredible victories like we saw in alabama. and i think that that's an important lesson as we head into 2018 and look to the map. i think you're looking at a potential pickup opportunity in states like nevada and arizona, maybe even tennessee now. this is about b

this investigation has nothing to do with dnc e-mails or dnc hacking. this has to do with russia's -- hang on -- russia's influence in our election and also the contacts between the trump campaign and people tied to the kremlin. that's what this investigation has to do with. >> and on that point i agree with you. however, if we are talking about the blanket statement of russia's involvement in the election, and russia was involve would the dossier, isn't it relevant to know who paid for it? >> no. it's not relevant to know who paid for it. >> can i just get in a word edgewise here? what jack is suggesting is that the attempt by the clinton campaign to pay this respected former mi 6 officer, that the attempt to uncover those contacts, it's as bad as the contact themselves. that is nonsensical. it doesn't stand up to minute of scrutiny. this is just an attempt to create a smoke screen to disguise the very real expectation connections between the trump campaign and the russians. the real scandal here, and this is what we need to keep our eye on, the fact i

the commission recommends the dnc enact a 50 state strategy. we would like to come up with a better place for it and then we will take it up tomorrow. all those in favor with what i just said? >> aye. [laughter] >> unanimous. >> good. ok. so -- >> we need to finish voting -- >> thank you. we are taking up the vote for section five. all those in favor of section five, please -- as a block, yes -- please, raise your hands. section five is adopted. section six. connecting our values and our actions. there is one action item, a. section six. connecting ouramendments to the. any amendments to section six? "a," ihe recommendation had an amendment to my amendment to replace recommendation "a" with the following. >> are you reading from the sheet we handed out? >> the sheet that was handed out and what is also on the screen. >> for commission members, this is number six, page 17, lines one through 13. you are reading from this sheet. substitute the language that is here which says the commission recommends the dnc developed a service oriented program f

here's the final day of the dnc unity reform commission meeting. it's just under three hours. >> i came all the way from california to be here. i am sorry. i may have to leave in the middle of this but i do want to say, i certainly hope that going forward that this caucus that we're all part of undertaking here, including ourselves as participants, is improved upon. i profess being very disappointed with the out reach regarding this meeting. i was one of many people i'm -- rsvp'd to the meeting and no one got back us to. i understand all the language about participation and ncluesivity but sadly -- [indiscernible] as a case in point we finally received an e-mail less than 48 hours before meeting started to inform us and no one has ever gotten back to me or anyone to that i know that rsvp'd the meeting. now that these recommendations are going to be going to the rules committee, i would hope that we can approve -- improve upon the image of, sorry to say, that is out there now all over social media being talked about. this is for all the talk about w

the dnc should institute a national training program specific to caucuses. the dnc should work with state parties to create guidelines for information dissemination and reporting, as well as supporting some of the new guidelines provided by these caucus recommendations, and then at the end of the day we should ensure that all caucus voters have the right to participate. those are the highest level. with that i open it up to the commission for amendments on the caucus section. >> i had an amendment that i timely filed that i do not think should be controversial although you never know. with respect to 1d in the text. we are requiring caucuses to provide statewide headcounts. i know many on this commission are familiar with how the iowa caucus and other caucuses work. even on caucus night they are entered in process. there is an initial count of people in the room and then there is a process which we call realignment in which supporters of nonviable candidates then move to other candidates who are viable, and in some cases supporters of viable candidates can m

here is the final day of the dnc unity reform commission meeting. it is just under three hours. >> i hope that going forward, the process is improved upon. the outreach regarding this meeting, i was one of many was cced on the meetings and nobody ever got back to us. i understand the language of inclusive the and participation. we finally received an email ,ess than 24 hours before nobody ever got back to me or anyone i know about the meeting. the policy of cracking what we preach. now these recommendations are going to be going to the rules committee, and i would hope that we could improve upon the image of, sorry to say, it is out there all over social media, it is being talked about. from the talk of wanting to improve performance and make the party more transparent, the exact opposite is happening. another case in point, i am one of the co-authors of the autopsy report. put a summary. time, wet asking for are simply tried to make is available to committee members, as if wewice it was were passing on something offensive. we are loyal democratic m

was actually dated september 14th, not fourth, 2016, which is the day after wikileaks put out the dncents. fake news cnn, they hyped the story as the big smoking gun about the trump and russia collusion. they claimed they had not one but two sources verifying this false claim. take a look at cnn's original fake news reporting. >> cnn has exclusive new details about a message sent in the final stretch of the 2016 campaign, offering access to hacked wikileaks documents. >> this email on september 4th 2016 was sent to donald trump, then-candidate donald trump, donald trump jr, and others in the organization. the timeline is important here because on september 4th, that was a month after the dnc was hacked and after their own emails became leaked and it was a month before clinton campaign chairman john podesta's emails were leaked by wikileaks. >> if this was an attempt tooh give stolen emails, hacked emails, to the trump campaign and the trump campaign acted on it, you would have an argument that they were then in possession of stolen property, property they knew to be stolen. that can b

members of the mainstream media are just an extension of the dnc and they are fraudulent.are rigid, their radical left-wing ideologues. call themselves journalists, they are not journalists. they think they are keepers of the truth. the press got caught colluded with hillary clinton and her campaign and they've been doing everything possible to inflict maximum damage on the president you elected regardless of whether it's true or not. everything we've just shown you proves all of this. the truth, facts don't matter to the media. let me put it more simply. they are morally bankrupt. they have an agenda. they don't care about the truth. the agenda is the democratic party's agenda, the clinton's agenda. as a result the press has now created a massive informational crisis in this country. by the way, they are doing a tremendous disservice to all of us. joining us now with reaction, former white house press secretary sean spicer. i know that in the time that you were press secretary you try to get along, you try to be nice. it seems nothing you could do whatever appease that gr

where the dnc was involved, she said, i mean the dnc was bankrupt, on the verge of insolvency. it is data was mead objectioner so poor. non-existence. how do you turn it around? >> i am not sure. jamie harrison is cleaning things up but i'm still concerned. i really hopeful with tom perez and others we would get better traction with fund-raising. maxine waters has been out on the trail with her stump speech to try and drum up fund but i don't have a good, solid answer for that. i am glad however that the dccc and dscc are more financially solvent than the dnc i wish the dnc would get it together bet. david: cabot, help out your fellow "politico." what would you suggest. >> maxine waters, will have to offer more than just give money to us because we're opposed to donald trump. it has to be here is what our party is about, not just against the other side. with regards to the fund-raiser numbers, that has to do with resentment with the dnc about the bernie sanders supporters. they saw a dnc that essentially rigged the primary to support hillary clinton and you can't expect those s

dnc had as of december 1, 6 about 3 million.he rnc has a whopping $40 million. >> the dnc also has a credibility problem. there was so much corruption. donna brazile wrote about it. we saw the rigging of the system. i think a lot of democrat donors are energized about that. but they are not ready to let go of their wallets because they don't trust them either. gregg: the first beneficial impact on the tax cut law isn't felt by americans next year, how will that affect the mid-term election. >> i think without a doubt it's fair to say the momentum is on the side of the dem kratle coming out for the mid-term election. they are energized. they lost spectacularly the presidential election. ever since then they have been crying and wailing like babies and sissies. but what we are going to see in the lead-up to the mid-term election is american society whether they like to what the president has done, that includes tax cuts, whether they like the cultural impact that it's having. my money is on the average american feeling the benefit

the dnc should institute a national training program specific to caucuses. the dnc should work with state parties to create guidelines for dissemination and reporting, as well as supporting some of the new guidelines provided by these caucus recommendations, and then at the end of the day we should ensure that all caucus voters have the right to participate. those are the highest level. with that i opened up to the commission for amendments on the caucus section. -- with that i open it up to the commission for amendments on the caucus section. jeff weaver? >> i had an amendment that i timely filed that i do not think should be controversial although you never know. with respect to 1d in the text. we are requiring caucuses to provide statewide headcounts. i know many on this commission are familiar with how the iowa caucus and other caucuses work. even on caucus night they are entered in process. there is an initial count of people in the room and then there is a process which we call realignment in which supporters of nonviable candidates then moved to other

in one of the e-mails, goldstone forwarded cnn's story on russia and hacking of dnc e-mails to kushner and manafort, describing the news as eerily weird given what they discussed at trump tower five days earlier. that's fishy. >> fishy is one word. i think it's also just -- i think the words that the investigators would use and i think maybe even though in special council's office would use, is it consistent? that level continues to drive more and more attention to so many of these players. that's the other thing too. is that the net seems to get wider and wider and bring more and more people involved in it. i think if you look at the fact that there are two backdrops that are troubling, i think, as part of the inquiries into donald trump jr., the first is that he already went up and testified and what you have is another invitation to come back and testify. that means that there's just a high level of unsatisfaction, or dissatisfaction with some of the answers that he gave in his previous testimony. the second backdrop is against michael flynn as attorney witness. so, what they're doi

the dnc is getting a taste of momentum. deputy chair keith ellison is joining me and carly fiorina will speak about tax reform and sexual harassment and the culture in washington. you're watching "kasie dc." >>> democrats are riding high after wins in alabama's special senate election and last month's virginia governor's race. but tonight there's a new reason for them to be optimistic heading into next year's midterm elections. our brand-new "wall street journal" poll finds 50% of registered voters want democrats to control congress. that's compared to 39% who want republicans to stay in charge. joining me now, minnesota democratic congressman and deputy chair of the dnc keith ellison. thanks for coming back on the show. really appreciate it. >> of course. >> my question for you is, do you think that these results in virginia and alabama are papering over in some ways the divisions within the democratic party? or do you think that this is a stunning win in a southern state that nobody expected. do you think the winds are st

weird that five days later the story broke that, in fact, russia broke the dnc. whether you believe that explanation, that's up to people watching the story and also senate and house investigators. but at a minimum, there was follow up to this meeting and there are now hard questions about how expansive that conversation was between those senior members of the trump camp and the russians promising that dirt on hillary. >> and you're also learning about the reaction that was received after donald trump jr. received -- released those private e-mails in which it was expecting to get so-called dirt on hillary clinton? >> that's right. donald trump jr. forced to release this because a major publication was publishing them and this followed the initial explanation. this was all about adoptions. when it did release those e-mails, it showed in advance of this trump tower meeting in june 2016, in fact, his expectation was that the russians were going to bring damaging information on hillary clinton. when he released those e-mails, one of the participants in this meeting,

but the dnc and tom perez not doing well. >> well, they'll be fine. i'm not worried about their fundraising because i think what we have on our side is something that we've had in past but seen with such vigor and that is an motivated electorate. look at virginia and alabama and some of the stuff i could talk about as get more into the conversation. >> where is the leadership, my friend. >> tom perez and keith have been great leaders for the dnc. i think what people are pointing to is there no singular democratic voice among the potential candidates. i'm not actually -- i'm not concerned about that right now. because number one, we have donald trump as a sort of united factor for demes. and we have more candidates running for house seats than in the last three mid-term elections combined and that tells me not only do we have a motivated electorate, we have individuals willing to step out there and put everything on the line and say i'm going to run for office and take on these republicans that are in the seats even here in new york. my office spent --

falls into, you're looking at a conspiracy to essentially hack into the dnc and use that information to help the trump campaign win the election. and what i think the public doesn't understand is that a conspiracy doesn't mean that people agreed to the objectives, all of them all at the same time, at the same moment. that you can join a conspiracy at any point in time. that two people can agree, you and i would agree, but yet i don't have to agree with jill that you and jill could agree. >> right, right. >> and i could become part of that conspiracy that you and jill initially agreed to start. >> right. >> so if you look at all of the things that we have found and you put it all together, going back to papadopoulos in april 2016 learning about the fact that e-mails were stolen from the democratic national committee. >> i want to talk about that. that to me -- i have this down as the second-most important thing, i'm not ranking them, but of the two things that shook me this year, whoa, was the fact that papadopoulos is told by essentially -- the speculation is a russian cutout of some

obviously, the dnc took a big hit. allegations of rigging. even senator elizabeth warren conceded at one point that it was a regular. a >> marie: she is wrong about that. see to it doesn't matter, perception is everything, so my my's question to you is how much is this a reflection of the head? >> marie: i think from the plus side, i will start there, individual candidates have raised historic numbers, they have broken records. for individual candidates, they are still fired up in writing checks. it matters more than the national party. but on the negative side, 42020, particularly, the national party does matter, and if money won elections, he would have lost the election. hillary clinton outspent him. but it is still concerning. they have to rebuild their imag image. i think it tom perez has some more work to do. i think doing well in 2018 will help, though. if we perform strongly, if we hold some of the senate seats, i think that's will filter up, and if we have a strong candidates running in 2020, it is going to be a big primary, and i do

we also now know that the russian hack of the dnc and the weaponization of stolen democratic e-mailsas only part of the russian campaign to influence our election. >> russia was buying ads, setting up fake accounts using twitter bots to push divisive messages. fueled fake news. they were designed to drive turnout in favor of trump in some areas, democratic opponents of hillary clinton in other ears and officials said it's the most sophisticated information operation they have ever seen. >> christopher steele reported that paul manafort was managing the trump campaign's relationship with the russians. we now know that in october 2017 a federal grand jury indicted paul manafort and another top trump campaign official on multiple counts of money laundering, perjury and conspiracy against the united states. at that same time, special counsel robert mueller also announced a third trump campaign figure pled guilty to lying about contacts with russian operatives. then a month later, another person mentioned in the steele dossier pled guilty to lying. it was trump's former national security

. >> soon after the wikileaks dump of dnc e-mails, christopher steele filed another trump memo, quote, russian regime behind the embarrassing leak of e-mail messages emanating from the national damn democratic committee to the wikileaks platform. one of stooe's sources described as an ethnic russian close to donald trump told steele this, quote, it was a well developed conspiracy of cooperation between them and the russian leadership. this was managed on the trump side by the republican candidates campaign manager paul manafort who was using foreign policy adviser carter page and others as intermediaries. now at that point, american journalists knew nothing of christopher steele and his reports. but there was a rumor that was making the rounds to fusion gps. the rumor was that russia had something compromising on trump. there were whisfers in d.c. reporting circles about a sex tape with prostitutes at the rilts carlton hotel in moscow. >> so people associated with the democrats were pedaling that story. >> ken dilanian. >> we did hear things like look, if you did anything at the ritz

clinton campaign, dnc funded dossier. fbi cannot after all this time verify claims in dossier of russia-trump collusion. fbi tainted." the president added, "they used this crooked hillary pile of garbage as the basis for going

we also now know that the russian hack of the dnc and the weaponization of stolen democratic e-mailsf the russian campaign to influence our election. >> russia was buying ads, setting up fake accounts using twitter bots to push divisive messages. in favor of democratic opponents to hillary clinton in other areas. and what u.s. intelligence officials have said is this is the most sophisticated operation they've ever seen. >> point four, christopher steel reported that trump's campaign chair, paul manafort, was managing the trump campaign relations with the russians. we now know in october 2017 a federal grand jury indicted paul manafort and another top trump campaign officials on multiple accounts of money laundering, perjury and conspiracy against the united states. at the same time special counsel robert mueller also announced that a third trump campaign advisor, george papadopoulos, had pled guilty to lying about his own contacts with russian operatives. then a month later another person mentioned in the steel dossier pled guilty to lying. it was trump's former national security ad

whether it was dnc hack. this isn't just about don junior. the president himself crafted a statement about that trump tower meeting where he said it was about child adoption. now we're getting information that is not what it was at all. >> i want to bring in joan walsh. i know you're joining us. but the big headline here is these e-mails leaking out. really explode any idea that there was an isolated meeting that nothing ever came out of. now you have a lot of key people talking about not only the meeting and the fallout but other ideas heretofore undiscussed. >> i think it is clear. they are eerily weird as someone might say. they really show a pattern at this point. rob goldstone, more than donald junior, is the obvious center of it but he's brought don junior in. the idea that they needed to have presence on a russian social net working site. it is quite bizarre. and it does seem like there was at least a low level team but receiving back to people in the campaign who had a lot of ideas. >> do you think it is possible that it was not just

and just taking a look at the dnc versus the rnc, like you said, the rnc literally doubled what the dncable to raise. and in my story, i talked about how there are two really big factors with that. one is that the small donors have not come home to the democratic party because of the 2016 election, because so many people feel or have this perception that the party kind of forced hillary clinton on them, didn't give bernie sanders a fair shot. party leaders, of course, say that never happened. that it's false. but there's that perception out there that has really stopped people from wanting to give money on the small donor side. and on the big donor side, you have people like tom stire out there spending $20 million of his own money on the impeachment project, instead of supporting the party. so it's really a tough year for the democratic party to try to rebrand itself and market itself in a way that is attractive to small donors and big donors alike. >> and that is the big topic, right? what should the messaging be? we had the party of this july, chuck schumer, the whole idea they were

ob on russian hacking of dnc emails to his client. a russia. pop star agalarov also to ike and he described the news of the hacks as quote errily weird, given what they discussed at trump tower five days earlier. so that seems a bit odd. one of the sources familiar with the email he downplayed the interaction saying news of the dnc hack was surprising because in the run up to the meeting the russian participants promised information upon illicit russian funding of the dnc was the dirt wasn't provided. so don we reached out to scott balbour the attorney at the meeting. he does confirm his client received the email but he said it was odd because he claims hacking was never discussed at the meeting. but of course, don, with the revelation of the new emails it really is once again raising new questions for investigators about what exactly was discussed inside the trump tower meeting and how much the follow ups really came into play. a lot of questions out there. >> there are a lot of things that weren't discussed that we're founding out now were di

. >> democrat dnc has been attacked by a lot of people, including me. they don't engage the community a lot, day go to wrong places, they don't really deal with the people on the ground, the grassroots, the churches, black radio. and they really don't understand our community. did they correct that here? because i got reports they sent in people. and the people there on the ground didn't even know who they were. i love senator cory booker. i love others, but they really didn't even know them. did they have any impact on the voters you talked to? >> not too many of the voters i spoke with. so i heard two different things. i definitely spoke with people at the dnc who did send people and could point to everything they did to pull out the black vote. but many of the black voters i spoke with never ran into these people. they didn't feel like they actually came to their community. so they were there -- >> some of the people they sent are unknown and the people that are known, they don't send. i don't understand. >> yeah, alabama voters are not really -- swe

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i want to start with you, michael appeared the dnc posted its first members in terms of fundraising foronth in about a decade. what is behind the struggles? >> ultimately three key issues hampering funds to compete with the republicans. one, not in the majority of the senate or the house and not a democrat in the white house did right there the institutional good is lacking. we have leadership, the act of this base that there is energy and heat and of course you have different priorities between the senate and the house. the last point is elections are about houses. when we see candidates running against incumbent republicans in the senate and the house and is a matchup for the democrat or republican in specific states are just ecstasy capitalism fund contribution in a more reliable and robust way that it's all just to defuse sort of theoretical argument discussion. turning to the new "wall street journal" nbc poll showed 50% of respondents wanted democrats to meet commerce after 2015. do you think that's going to be enough to push republicans in the right direction? >> we will see righ

we still don't know if the fbi was working with the dnc. that's why the work nunez is doing is important. he's issued subpoenas, but the department of justice and fbi have been resaluate. it's like jeff sessions needs to change his name to disregard. too many people are disregarding congress to get answers for the american people. >> before you go, should the president fire him? >> the attorney general should s and act on it. >> with us george washington university law professor. do you think think it's time for mueller to step aside? >> no. i didn't think he was a good choice for special could believe, i said that at the time for many of the mueller, you will magnify the problem. that's what happened after comey right to expect an independent investigation. the president is right, it's not good for the country, but what would be worse is to leave the questions unanswered. >> there are plenty of questions on both sides. let me ask you this, jonathan, gates says there's too much bias within ro he assembled op. you have a country t with advil

it was on russia's hacking of dnc e-mails to his client. he forwarded the e-mail to his client, russian pop star amen agalarov. also ike kaveladze. kaveladze attended the meeting. he described the news of the hacks as eerily weird, given what they had discussed at trump tower just five days earlier. that seems a bit odd. but one of the sources familiar with the e-mail, he really downplayed the interaction saying that news of the dnc hack was surprising to this group because in the run-up to the trump tower meeting the russian participants had promised information on illicit russian funding of the dnc but that dirt was never provided to trump jr. or kushner or manafort. so don, we reached out to scott ballber, attorney for ike kaveladze who was at that meeting. he does confirm his client received the e malbut he says it was odd because he claims hacking was never discussed at the meeting. but of course, don, with the revelation of these new e-mails it really is once again raising new questions for investigators about what exactly was discuss

gn endedsanders' campai up executing a agreement with the dnc. they just didn't raise any money for it. i think that was probably the right decision for them because we were trying to get ready for the general election. he was still behind, he was trying to use all his resources to see if he could somehow overcome secretary clinton's lead and i think that the truth is, we wrote money for the dnc purposely, lawfully, consistently with what previous democratic nominees had done to be used in the general election. that,w looking back on donna says that indicated the fix was in and i have to say, having worked with her from the time she took over for debbie wasserman schultz in november, i never heard that complaint. and i saw her a lot. i actually haven't read the book, so i'm going by what-see her say on tv and what i've read is set in the book. sanders had a very fair shot at this. how manylain about debates there were, but we added debates at his request and we complained about the fact they hacked our data file at the dnc. i don't really want to

the opposition research firm that was paid by the hillary clinton campaign and the dnc.ow fox news confirmed that nellie ohr, the wife of bruise ohr worked for fusion gps. a timeline that places her on the company payroll around the time the dossier was funneled to the fbi and perhaps into the election. devin nunes told fox news they are looking into all facets of the connections between the department of justice and fusion gfs, including mr. ohr. they had no comment about the fact that mrs. ohr worked for fusion gps last year. lou: joining me the former republican congressman jason chaffetz. great to see you. let's start with this. how in the world does the justice department not know where spouses of top officials work and what their connections are to highly active smear mesh chants like gps or fusion gps? >> i don't believe they are so naive. i think they know this and i think they have begin the for some time. the deep state is alive and well in the department of justice and there is a reason why in nunes is the chairman of the intel zmirt he in the -- intel committ

or russia hacking the dnc. but at least one shows there was followup and two raises questions in that trump tower meeting. >> he's the publicist who set up this meeting between don jr., jared kushner, and the russians who were coming into this meeting promising damaging information on hillary clinton. well, following this meeting, rob goldstein e-mailed dan ska vino who was at the time with the trump campaign and is now the social media director for the trump administration. e-mailed him, pressing him, suggesting that donald trump sr., the candidate open up a page on vk. that's basically the russian equivalent of facebook. very popular millions of russians use it. and he repeatedly presented this idea and suggested this idea to the trump campaign. we have been told that that idea was first discussed as they were coming out of this meeting in trump tower on june 2016. so again, it raises the question, what more was discussed when you had these senior members of the trump campaign sitting down with russians promi

know when that briefing took place, just that it and yet despite being breefnd russia's role on the dnc hack, despite being warned that russia was actively trying to infiltrate his campaign, the president kept on denying russia did anything wrong. >> i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she is saying russia, russia, russia. maybe it was. i mean it could be russia. but it could also be china. it could also be lots of other people. it also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? >> ah, yes, the 400-pound bed hacker. a similar briefing on the risk of russia infiltration was given to hillary clinton around the same time. but unlike her campaign, trump's investigation was already under investigation for its ties to russia. that probe which began in july 2016 according to former fbi director james comey. by the time the president sat down with those fbi counterintelligence agents, seven of his campaign aides had been in contact with russian nationals or russian agents. one of them, carter page, was already being sur veiled under a fis

he is meeting with the guy who put together a dossier using dnc and clinton campaign money and trying to figure how to discredit the elected president. it stinks to high heaven. and i think that there is so much going on so quickly with all of this information that it is very easy for americans to tune it out or feel confused or it does not affect me. what are we doing for christmas? what is going on for new year's? they will pay attention. and part of it is that the media has had a trap for themselves. they have been so obsessed for a year plus with what they consider to be an important investigation. talking about russia and not america. it also shows something else. i want to stay one more. hillary clinton -- she has every advantage possible. all of the kings horses and kings men, so much more money and so much more personnel. she has all of the mainstream media. she has all of the democrats behind her. the two presidents and her husband and her predecessor. his record did not get a third term to her presidency. all of these advantages, and then after she loses she still has advant