was that jim dobbins? >> yes. >> okay. sorry. it sounded like you but all i can see some dude -- [inaudible] >> sorry, dude. one thing i have noticed in the last year or so of my several trips to pakistan is that the pakistanis themselves are very worried about the remnant of the so-called afghan taliban. one of the consequences of u.s. and nato successful efforts in enemy these different levels of leadership is that they have had to be replaced very quick. the people that are coming in to fill those, hate them as much as they hate us to have a different relationship with the isi and al qaeda commanders of 10 years ago. they see pakistan's role as manipulative, serving pakistan's interest, but not that of afghan. so the pakistanis themselves are trying to figure out how do we regain the momentum, not the momentum. how do we regain control over this organization that has really evolved over the last 10 years. it's not the same organization it was 10 years ago. the very fact that pakistan itself is scrambling to figure out its own

for example, dobbin thought he had the silver bullet agent codenamed vessel who was planted inside theatican in rome and was supplying him with transcripts of people conversations that pope pius was having with his on voice and other foreign on voice and with the japanese. turned out that vessel was an italian pornographer with a very vivid imagination and was very skilled at creating dialogue, completely suffered. not unlike when you fast forward to the run-up to the second rock war with the cia thought it had a silver bullet intelligence agent in curveball that was supplying them with information about saddam hussein's biological weapon capability. turned out curveball was a fabricator. in fact, he just recently was interviewed by the british press. made it all up. but as the u.s. army improved donovan's os has improved as well. toward the end of the war was implying a significant amount of intelligence to the allies. but as i say, this is a story of political intrigue. donovan likes to say he had enemies in washington as fierce as it was in europe. ferocious battles with j. edgar ho

for example, dobbin thought he had the silver bullet agent codenamed vessel who was planted inside the vatican in rome and was supplying him with transcripts of people conversations that pope pius was having with his on voice and other foreign on voice and with the japanese. turned out that vessel was an italian pornographer with a very vivid imagination and was very skilled at creating dialogue, completely suffered. not unlike when you fast forward to the run-up to the second rock war with the cia thought it had a silver bullet intelligence agent in curveball that was supplying them with information about saddam hussein's biological weapon capability. turned out curveball was a fabricator. in fact, he just recently was interviewed by the british press. made it all up. but as the u.s. army improved donovan's os has improved as well. toward the end of the war was implying a significant amount of intelligence to the allies. but as i say, this is a story of political intrigue. donovan likes to say he had enemies in washington as fierce as it was in europe. ferocious battles with j. edgar